Marsha On The Floor On Health Care

13 Responses to “Marsha On The Floor On Health Care”

1. GoldnI writes
   November 7th, 2009 2:46 pm

   Did Marsha just say that women in Europe and Canada *hope* to get breast cancer and die?

   Wow. Just when I thought my opinion of her couldn’t go any lower.

   (Attacks on me for being a hypocritical feminist who can’t stand influential socially conservative women in 5, 4, 3…)

2. pat csh writes
   November 7th, 2009 3:38 pm

   I didn’t hear her but it sounds like something she would form to come crawling out of her A-herr mouth.
   Its hard to listen to a Republican who’s w–ing for Big Insurance and throws her gender under the bus for dollars and power. Pitiful! Palin is in Wisc and saying pretty much the same ,she is almost using her death panels again while giving a so so speech..

3. Mark Rogers writes
   November 7th, 2009 3:47 pm

   Goldni,

   How about if I just point out that what she meant to say was that ‘they hope to get treatment for breast cancer.’

   Do you deny that in places like England, the NHS discourages regular mamograms as a cost-saving measure?

   She mis-spoke. That doesn’t make her a bad person or invalidate her point. Of course, it is easier to highlight the mis-speak than deal with her point.

   Perhaps she should get a portable teleprompter to improve her eloquence. Then she might equal William Jennings Obama.

4. Freddie O'Connell writes
   November 7th, 2009 4:05 pm

   What a heavy cross the congressMAN bears…

5. GoldnI writes
   November 7th, 2009 4:05 pm

   You know what I don’t deny Mark? That regular mammograms don’t get covered by insurance HERE because they’re not considered emergencies. That a woman in the U.S. can wake up to find her breast bleeding and be told by her insurance that that’s also not an emergency. That women get charged higher rates by insurance companies because of the risk of breast cancer (something that Republicans think is perfectly all right, because they also charge smokers higher rates).

   And she didn’t misspeak. Her point was clear as day.

6. GoldnI writes
   November 7th, 2009 4:08 pm

   My comment is awaiting moderation? Really?

7. Mark Rogers writes
   November 7th, 2009 4:15 pm

   Freddie,

   Hah. Excellent. A thorny situation, no?

   Perhaps we should call this Marsha’s Cross of Goldni speech.

   Goldni,

   ??

8. Matthew Hurtt writes
   November 7th, 2009 4:17 pm

   GoldnI -

   Comments with more than one link included have to be moderated, as they’re generally SPAM. Looks like Kleinheider let your SPAM slip through.

9. Mark Rogers writes
   November 7th, 2009 4:22 pm

   Goldni,

   My apologies. Your second comment posted when I responded but the first hadn’t.

   To your points:

   I am in favor of health care reform that eliminates abuses like this. I suspect that Marsha would agree on that too.

   I also agree that there is a difference between the potential results from smoking and the possibility of breast cancer.

   There are lots of reforms that could be made to different components of health care. But to move closer to nationalized health care is a major mistake.

   If you think it is hard to correct problems in private health care, think about how hard it was to get reform of the welfare system despite clear evidence that it ws a failure. Or how we are still practicing a farm policy that was designed to meet the needs of Depression America.

10. Sean Braisted writes
    November 7th, 2009 4:50 pm

    I am in favor of health care reform that eliminates abuses like this. I suspect that Marsha would agree on that too.

    Yes, by eliminating state regulations by allowing people to purchase insurance across state lines, while not increasing federal regulations, will surely end those abuses.

11. Mark Rogers writes
    November 7th, 2009 4:58 pm

    Have you considered that by allowing people and businesses to purchase insurance across state lines, companies that provide better coverage would actually flourish?

    In this debate I have heard many people who favor increased government control of health care discuss how harmful that employer-based insurance has been. Well who do we have to thank for that? Just like welfare in the 60s and farm policy in the Depression, that was a government driven solution to a temporary problem that became impossible to reverse.

    That is why lots of smaller player in health care, rather than one big player, is the safer option. Smaller players screw up and they go away. Some damage is done but it is easier to mitigate. When the federal government starts imposing solutions, it takes decades to correct problems.

12. Sean Braisted writes
    November 7th, 2009 5:03 pm

    Mark,

    The problem is, when insurance companies screw someone out of coverage because of some “pre-existing” condition, then that person has few if any options after that insurance company’s actions. Its hard for employers to take action against those insurance who screw their employees over, and with large companies, they likely won’t want to go through the headache of having to find a new company for all of their employees.

    I’m not a fan of employer-based coverage, but so long as it exists, a basic premise that insurance companies have to cover those people who have paid into that program over a certain number of years, should be codified into law.

    “Pull yourself up by the bootstraps” only go so far in terms of consumer protects, in some cases, the Government needs to protect its citizens against willful fraud. I know, it means red-tape, but red-tape can sometimes save lives, despite the one-liners regurgitated like psalms by the GOP masses.

13. Mark Rogers writes
    November 7th, 2009 5:13 pm

    The point is that we should have gotten rid of employer-based insurance years ago. But that would have required governmental action and courage.

    I honestly do not know any Conservative worth talking too who believes that “pull yourself up…” line. There may have been a time when people believed that, but not now. You are confusing the Horation Alger myth with the idea that everyone should take some responsibility for their actions.

    Many on the Left want to make the debate about ‘bootstraps’ to avoid telling people that the idea of social responsibility is a two-wat street.

    The bootstrap myth is like the Patriarchy in that it mostly exists in the minds of those who use it as a tool to win arguments like this.