Davidson County GOP Moves To Oust Ron Paul-Supporting Vice Chair
Posted on October 28, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Collins (right) with Judge Andrew Napolitano
The Davidson County Republican Party took its first steps Tuesday night toward ousting its controversial First Vice Chairman Matt Collins. The party Executive Committee voted 14 to 5 (with two abstentions) to ‘trigger’ the process of removal. A hearing will be scheduled where a required two-thirds majority vote could be taken to remove Collins.
In a statement released on the party’s website Wednesday, the party stated that the reason for the motion to remove were Collins’ “unprofessional actions and words” as well as his use of his title when expressing opinions “derogatory to and disrespectful of Republican candidates or elected officials.” A spokeswoman for DCRP chairwoman Kathleen Starnes would not elaborate on the statement.
Collins has had a tumultuous relationship with the party stemming from his associations with small “L” libertarian groups and the Ron Paul for President campaign. Collins was elected First Vice Chair of the party on April 4 of this year after losing a bid to become chairman of the party in a process that included a deadlocked March 7 election and a subsequent revote.
The vice chair again became the center of controversy this summer when, after attending the Davidson County party’s annual picnic, he announced in a blog post that he had refused to shake Rep. Zach Wamp’s hand because of his support of the financial bailouts. In the same post, he concluded that neither Wamp nor Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam were qualified to be governor.
Collins also clashed with the party’s old guard when he issued a public chastisement of Chairwoman Starnes for calling for a meeting with Congressman Jim Cooper without the prior consent of other party officers.
Starnes herself raised eyebrows when she both endorsed and solicited funds for a conservative independent candidate currently running for congress against a Republican nominee in New York state’s 23rd District, an action which will no doubt be cited by Collins supporters in his defense during the as-yet-unscheduled removal hearing.
Collins would not comment on the situation when contacted by Post Politics but said a statement would be forthcoming.
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143 Responses to “Davidson County GOP Moves To Oust Ron Paul-Supporting Vice Chair”
The funny part of this is the people who want to kick out Collins want the state party to reinstate Kent Williams. Morons.
We will take you Matt! Just when I think our party is bad, the Davidson County GOP makes us look so normal.
TY Cobb who?
So embarrassing
I voted for Ron Paul are they going to kick me out?
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Matt tells the truth.
The neocons don’t like that.
Hey DCRP Chairman… This is how you spell Rhino, you idiot
People like you give are party a bad name. Could you not find anything else to do?
This is a shame…One of the great things about the current political climate is that people from all backgrounds are coming together to question the Federal Reserve via Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed HR 1207…Everyone, despite their party affiliation, senses that something is terribly WRONG with Washington and the Federal Govt. but don’t know where to start…
Ron Paul and his views are CONSERVATIVE AND CONSTITUTIONALLY SOUND! I would love to hear a valid argument against Ron Paul and his ideals of limited fed govt, abolishing the income tax/federal reserve, and preserving/honoring the Constitution…
I will continue to attend Tennessee Republican Functions and promote Civil Liberties that were celebrated and championed by Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty….
Another fine example of the fox (Republicrats) guarding the chicken house. Go “gettum” First Vice Chairman Matt Collins!!! It’s time for “real” change… conservative libertarian Ron Paul style!!!
Truth is treason in an empire of lies!
It’s my opinion that a great many of the faithful republican voters are becoming more and more frustrated at the politicians tendency to compromise principles. Sure many will still vote for the lesser of two evils, but many are also realizing that both parties are actually voting for more government intervention in many cases. (Maybe the only difference is the speed at which they will get there.)
So I read above that they don’t like Matt because he’s bold enough to stand by his convictions and doesn’t want to regurgitate the party rhetoric. He’s even gone so far as to refuse to play nice with a republican who voted against the bailout until it went to the senate and got worse, and then voted for it when it came back to the house. Come on Matt! Have you no sympathy for the politician who can’t make up his mind who to please on a given day?
It is a sad day in America when a healthy skepticism and caution with regard to the government (which our founding fathers valued) is replaced with this kind of party loyalty (or worship).
I implore the republican party not to injure themselves and ultimately the country by chasing the passionate and principled folks out of their club. It’s going to take conviction and guts to get this country back on the right track. Find a way to work together before you send us looking for a principled party elsewhere. You are supposed to be it!
Here is an idea, let’s get organized and take them out.
Which of these people are up for election next year? If they win we support them, if they lose we won’t kick them out.
Who is for knocking doors and seeing who can win a real campaign?
The GOP needs more people like Matt Collins.. those whom support the party’s original platform of limited government(the constitution).
Count me in!Let’s make real change starting in Davidson County. I can make phone calls, but can’t give money or knock doors. When can we start?
In 2006 I voted for Corker, in 2008 I voted for Ron Paul for President. Went and voted for McCain even, but not Lamar.
Does the GOP still want my vote? Are they going to tell me to go away next time at the polls? Will I be welcome at the party meetings.
I am going to call Corker, Lamar and Blackburn office tomorrow. Maybe they don’t care either, this is uncalled for.
What are the names of the people they voted against Matt Collins?
Where do we get the list of names?
How do we beat them?
Are they on a ballot?
Are they elected next year?
I will give $50 to every person that runs against the people that voted against Matt.
Does Judson Phillips know about this?
:popcorn:
Mmmm. Buttery.
Just think how fun this would be if Bill Hobbs was still at the party.
Can we get Matt to run against Pat Marsh?
He seems to have more support than TY Cobb did.
( Paul Wilson)
I will match your $50 dollars and will make calls.
Can we have a meeting about this?
How do we all get together
I support the Constitution, Matt Collins, Common Sense, Ron Paul, and conservative values.
Wow. What a sad, sad day. After suffering an embarrassing defeat by a Marxist in the last election because of failed policies that have nearly bankrupted our country the GOP is now going after the young Republicans who are politically active, are conservatives, and want to work to bring the party back to life.
I say let it die. Let them keep electing unprincipled backbiters who sell out their votes and *real* conservatives who care about rights and the Constitution can continue leaving the party in droves.
RNC will never get another dollar from me. Ever. This is ridiculous.
Who the hell are these people to vote him out? Who the hell is the Chairman of a Republican group that can endorse an independent candidate and she doesn’t get thrown out?
Well I will not give any money to the State Party or the local County Party.But one thing I will do is work my ass off against these people. Many of you know that I work for the State so I am not going to go to far. When election day rolled around I went and voted and and it wasn’t easy, but I served this Country and feel it is my duty. It is this type of stuff that makes me not want to vote anymore. What makes them better and why wasn’t a vote taken against her?
Does this Party even care anymore? Do they even care about the veterans they stand by them during a questionable war. Have any of the people they voted against Matt Collins ever served? What makes them GOD? Shouldn’t we focus our energy against Jim Cooper and Bart Gordon who wan to tax us to death?
Why hasn’t this party gotten a serious challenger against Copper? Who is he paying off?
This is crazy Stepford mess. Don’t throw him out.
Don’t listen to Donna Locke! Throw him out!
Hey David has anyone told you how stupid you are.
You can’t beat Congressman Copper and know you party doest care about you.
Raider, don’t you have some homework?
Donna, I don’t have class till 1pm on Thursday.
So I will get to that tomorrow, in the mean time I am enjoying watching your righteous party kill each other.
Here is the list of people that voted against Matt, now we know who to focus on. We need to raise money now and take all of them out. I have already emailed my Tea Party List
http://www.davidsoncountygop.org/2009-10-28%20Collins_removal.pdf
State Executive Committee
Steve Allbrooks
John Ambrose
Karen Bennett
Beth Campbell
Betty Cannon
Nathan James
Phyllis Streiff
Mark Winslow
Will keep my word of giving money against them and I will never by a car from Beaman again. Very sad to see he is in with these crooks. We need to all call his dealerships tomorrow and let them know how upset we are. I have already sent out an email.
Just found out about this, I am done with the party.
Run for Governor Matt! Give us someone to vote for other than the liberals and RINOS.
We have just begun to fight
(Peeks into thread, decides against saying anything, quietly tiptoes back out)
That is NOT the list of people who voted against Matt. Paul Wilson County check your facts. I’m sure Starnes and Beth Campbell did (b/c they’re for Haslam and Matt is not) but the list you posted is merely the members of the TN GOP State Executive Committee members who have districts which touch Davidson County.
Now that is funny
Can’t wait for next years elections. We need to get wanted posters for all these people.
Paul Wilson County…those are not necessarily the people who voted for him (and i dont even think lee beaman has a vote)…those u listed were the STATE executive committee members who i know for a fact some did not vote to kick him out - the rest of the county party leadership has a vote too and they have not released the names so hold off on your witch hunt just yet
Keep up the good job Matt!!
For the record, and specifically addressing “Paul Wilson County,” your information is incorrect. Two of the names you posted were not at the meeting and one of the names you posted was one of the abstentions. Mr. Beaman is an advisor to the DCRP, does not have a vote ans was not present.
So that’s four wrong statements. You need to check your facts before you comment or act.
Everyone keep buying your cars from Beaman. He gives a fair price.
Mark - who were the Ys and who were the Ns? It’s going to come out pretty shortly and you know so dish. Don’t keep us in suspense man!
The committee voted for a process and it will take its course. I’m just correcting misinformation. We need to dial it back on the hysterics.
Gotcha. Thanks! How did you vote?
It’s a committee decision to release that information. Until they make that decision it would not be appropriate for me to say.
Dude you must be channeling Jimmy Naifeh when it comes to transparency in public affairs. That kind of rhetoric went out of style before Kurt Cobain died.
I prefer John Wilder. The party is the party and the party needs to be the party so the party can be the party.
Seriously though. We have a process and it will be fair in dealing with the issue. Until it’s complete, everybody breathe.
I’m sure the tea party folks voting in the primaries of your clients will be reassured by your process oratory. Robin and Lou Anne probably have the link to this thread by now you know.
The teaparty people are good folks who respect a fair process and they know which candidates in the 3rd and 6th districts best represent their values. I’m happy to iet them make their judgement. As for this issue, I made it clear at the meeting that I will be watching to see that Matt has a fair opportunity to defend himself.
“teaparty people are good folks who respect a fair process and they know which candidates in the 3rd and 6th districts best represent their values.”
Judging from your comments on this thread, I guess that would be Chuck Fleischman in the 3rd and Kerry Roberts in the 6th.
“I made it clear at the meeting that I will be watching to see that Matt has a fair opportunity to defend himself.”
Just like the UN did with the Tutsis in Rwanda!
Mark Winslow,
The party is not “the party.” The party is the people, and not just those on the top, but much more so those on the bottom, people who vote. These are the people that are supposed to lead the direction of the party. Those at the top are servants, not masters.
I wouldn’t shake the hand of anyone voting to rip-off the country either!! who cares what they “call” themselves. the GOP better get back to its roots and not be just another faction of the BIG GOVERNMENT party. Get rid of these alleged conservatives that are TRAITORS.
I know some… but not very many young people who are into local politics…Any passionate young person 20ish 30ish… should be considered a highly sought after commodity…I have been involved in local grassroots protests and attended some meetings…and if this is how they treat their new or younger members then perhaps I am wasting my time and resources…
Lamar Alexander is goofy enough…but for the TN Rep Party to go after members who actually represent the ideas and values of our Founding Fathers is political suicide..
I AM MATT COLLINS!!
Liberty and Justice FOR ALL!
Well I don’t know what Beaman is advising the DCRP. Would like to see the names of the people that did this.
Some people forget how people vote, I won’t.
Ben, my bad if you didn’t get the “wilder-speak” joke. Just a little kidding.
Need, I’m not sure I’d put a county intra-party squabble on par with the genocidal slaughter of a few million people. I’m glad to see you taking my advice to dial back the hysterics.
Just show us the damn names of the spinesless bastards that did this! Let’s see who these people are!With all of us working together we will throw them out. All Tea Party activist need to work to elect new people for this country.
Didn’t the DCRP Chairman endorse the independent in New York? But they are throwing Matt out. How can they get away with that?Double standards!
It will be interesting to see who these people are and who they are supporting for Governor. We will not forget this, over thirty peole have e mailed me personally about this already.
We will come after you and beat you. You will not make fun of us anymore. We have every right to be apart of the Republican party as you do.
Show us the Damn names! We got an election to win!
David is right and has been a leader for our movement.
When we get the names, let’s email them to all our friends and put the names on all our Facebooks. Let the people know who they are and what kind of republicans they are.
You will not hide from us anymore, your days are numbered. Next November is just a year away.
A Revolution is happening and it starts in Nashville.
Just get the names
I’m in. I love when Nashvillians get ornery. Especially the moribund Nashville Republicans.
The whole hand-shaking thing might have been silly (let’s face it, this movement needs a little polish –without compromising its principles), but if I were you, I’d look closely at the signs of the times.
Heck, I’d rejoin the party just to get in on the fight, if I thought they could refrain from calling my house every night for money.
Just know, this battle may be local, but it’s being played out locally all round the country.
The DCRP Executive committee has made the conscious decision to destroy their party. Fine. We will rebuild it in our own image. Don’t believe us? We’ll see you at the polls!
DCRP Executive Committee members are elected in the spring of odd numbered years. Those expressing negative opinions on the committee’s action are either not party members or, if they are, did not bother to participate this year. Anyone wishing to have a say in the organization may contact the DCRP at P.O. Box 158419, Nashville, TN 37215, 615.320.9018, info@DavidsonCountyGOP.org . You will be welcomed as a member.
Funny thing, this is most interest the Party has generated in the last 17 years.
there is good that will come out of this…
The DCRP Executive committee has given us a focal point to attack. There are names and positions that can now be held up and made accountable. They will be replaced! They have pooped in their nest and now we’ll clean up the mess with a bunch of new feathers!
Go Matt!
Go, Fight, Win!
Isn’t it the role of the Davidson County Republican Party to preserve the ONE state (Harwell) and zero local Republicans they havew worked hard to elect?
Andy Axel, you beat me to it!
RHINO, YOU SHOULD HAVE WRITTEN “OUR PARTY”, NOT “ARE PARTY”.YOU LOOKED A BIT SILLY AFTER THAT ERROR.
SANDRA, I GUESS YOU’LL HAVE TO BE A MARXIST SINCE YOU CAN’T BE REPUBLICAN.
THE REASON THIS GUY IS BEING RAILROADED OUT IS BECAUSE THE TENNESSEE REPUB PARTY IS FOLLOWING THE RNC ATTITUDE WHICH IS, “IF YOU DON’T AGREE WITH ME, ACT LIKE ME, OR YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY I’M WRONG, THEN YOU ARE AGAINST ME, AND YOU WILL NOT BE TOLERATED”.
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Aren’t we all getting tired of the inner circle Grand Old Party RINO garbage? Why is it these fossils always put party first before principals? Maybe that’s an indication of why the GOP has become dinosaurs of failure?
What next? Someone going to import Lindsey Graham from South Carolina to keep the Neocon circle spinning? Oh Boy… party Fools
The Republicans are just killing themselves.
Mikey I agree this is a bad move on the state GOPs part.
LWC,
I hate to tell you but the majority of posts here are most likely to be written by Democrats pretending to be Republicans. Almost every cry for revolution is from an anonymous and new name.
So enjoy the popcorn but you are watching pro wrestling or the NBA or other faux sport and not the real thing like the NFL.
First, I support the ideals of your movement. I have read End the Fed, The Revolution, and I support many of Dr. Paul’s ideas and Rand’s senate run. I think the Republican party has acted very irresponsible with fiscal issues and that “Ron Paul” conservatives are needed in the party. However, there are several big problems that will keep the very ideas you fight for from ever becoming a reality.
Matt Collins is not going to be removed because of his libertarian views. Libertarians are very welcome within the party. He will be removed because his attitude and personality are exactly like the majority of you posting on here. He doesn’t want to work within the Republican party, he wants to “take it over.” How do you expect others to respond with statements like that and actions that match?
Matt was elected to be a leader. Leaders are held to higher standards and he can’t act as though he is some activist on a street corner. The main thing that is holding back the Ron Paul movement is that people look at you all as a bunch of crazies. Well, with Matt as your leader and you actions on this forum I can see why. Matt is an embarrassment, and not because of his views. Anyone who has seen him at a fundraiser, social engagement, activists gathering can see that.
There are ways in which to work with people to get things done. This goes for politics, business, or life in general. Until Matt and many of you people learn this you’re movement and the Republican party as a whole will suffer. I support Ron Paul, but like many within the party I can’t stand most of his supporters, not because of their views, but because their lack any capacity to act rational or intelligent.
I hope many of you will consider this. Your ideals are fine, the approach is terrible. Let’s pretend that you do get rid of the people that vote out Matt and take over the DCRP, what then? It’s a party in a city that will never elect Republicans to most offices. So….With all your work to “take it over” you will have done nothing to push your ideas forward, and in the process pissed off the state Republican party(One that actually elects Republicans and could move your ideals forward).
It’s no surprise that the libertarians are losing their minds over this. Yes, we share some common principles with them, and yes, together we can do some good for our country. But, most of us are damn tired of the Ron Paul fetish the the attempts to hijack the Republican Party because they can’t sustain a viable party on their own.
If that little malcontent Matt Collins is their example of “leadership,” more failure lies in their future.
If they want to play on our turf, they follow our rules or get the hell out and head on back to the Ron Paul shrine to wail and moan.
Hello,
As an outsider from Kentucky, I can tell you that the Kentucky GOP has actively worked to purge the Ron Paul’ers from the party establishment, even going so far as to de-certify county party affiliates which were taken over by the Ron Paul’ers.
That’s why I don’t play in Republican circles. Put the energy into building a political party without an identity crisis. Go work with the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party, and be done with it.
The Republican Party is no longer the party of Reagan.
Just my two cents.
The headline alone says it all… Neocons think that they’ll get more votes by pandering to the “Moderates” but in reality, most of us Conservatives want to see a GOP that stands behind Constitutional principles.
Way to go, Matt… give ‘em hell.
…as for you, Calm Down… You’re obviously stuck in the Dark Ages if you think that a Republican is ALWAYS preferable to a Democrat or an Independent. Grow some principles and get out of your black/white worldview where Republicans are the “good guys” and Democrats are the “bad guys.” This isn’t the Wild West and you’re only encouraging ignorance by proposing that people support the Republican party for no better reason than, say… uh… Elephants are better than Donkeys.
I consider myself a Republican, but I’m tired of having to vote Republican because “it’s better than the alternative.”
Honestly, I’m ashamed that I had no other “choice” than to vote for McCain/Palin. The Republican Party has accomplished one thing over the past couple of decades… it has successfully shown the world that it’s willing to abandon all of its Conservative principles if it means getting a couple votes… while doing this, the Party has effectively disenfranchised anyone with an IQ above 45 and a set of principles.
Redhead,
You are blinded by arrogance. We have already won. We couldn’t stop it if we tried. The people are waking up very quickly. Some day in the near future people like you will be known for what you are. You will be known as traitors.
Nerd,
I’m 22 years old, and the tactics of your “movement” seem more in tune with the Dark Ages than any civilized form of debate. I never said you had to vote for a Republican over anyone else, and I am no fan of John McCain. Tell me though, would we be better with him than Obama? You bet. McCain should have never been the nominee, but instead of attacking our own party after the fact why don’t we build it? Why don’t we work to not have another John McCain? This will not happen with the tactics being employed by Matt Collins and the CFL.
Please tell me, are you going to start voting for Democrats and that will make things better? Why not make the party better, that is the only way you will be able to get things done.
“…He doesn’t want to work within the Republican party, he wants to “take it over.””
Your absolutely correct. And it’s about time.
When the hard left wanted to ’step up’ in politics, they staged a hostile takeover of the democrat party. For years, they’ve been willing to circumvent the law, smear their enemies, and take up arms to achieve their political agenda.
Republicans still pretend that they are “the party of principle,” when what they’re really doing is circling the wagons to protect the old guard and their statist agenda.
This is precisely the reason why the republican party is doomed to the dung-heap of history…Where, incidentally they began, as a reincarnation of the defunct American Whig party, whose platform was high taxes, internal improvements (i.e. corporate welfare), and a central bank to pay for it all.
The trillions of dollars we owe now, plus the trillions more that we will borrow over the next 10 years will have to be re-payed with interest (by your children). The national government will bail itself out by printing money hand over fist to pay off its debt, but this inflation of the currency will destroy the savings and investments of the subjects.
And still, there are some who want to cling to the old ways…taxing the middle class to subsidize the parasites at the top and bottom.
I say, Bravo Matt! If you must use the republican party as a vehicle for change. Then go forth with my support, and hope for your success in Davidson county.
“…instead of attacking our own party after the fact why don’t we build it”
To rebuild something, you must first conduct the demolition portion of the process. Wherein you remove the elements of the structure that don’t conform to the architectural plans.
The party needs to be gutted. Burn the “big tent” and purge the rinos. Otherwise, the only option left will be to abandon the party entirely and leave it to the spineless moderates like McCain, Graham, and McConnell.
The doctrine and principles of Sen. Barry Goldwater need to be re-introduced into the Republican Party. The Electorate needs to be given a bonafide “Choice.” I refuse to vote for a Republican who merely sounds like his/her Democratic opponenet. Look at the congressional race in New york that’s going on at the present. Phyllis Schlafly wrote a book in 1964 titled “A Choice Not an Echo.” I think it is a “must” reading for any one calling themself a Republican.
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Party purges never turn out well for either side.
“Matt is an embarrassment, and not because of his views. Anyone who has seen him at a fundraiser, social engagement, activists gathering can see that.”
Hey “Calm Down”,
That was such an unbelievably ridiculous and unwarranted statement…oh and poorly put together I might add.
I wonder why it’s more of an embarrassment to care deeply about ones values and allow that to come through with passion than to be a political ___ kisser? I’m guessing here, but I think it’s because
of people like you who admire and promote it.
Btw, if you think Matt is bad, glad you weren’t at the first Continental Congress meeting. You would have probably wanted everyone to wear their tiara and tutu as they discussed how to best defend our liberty and fight against tyranny.
Yes, Matt is young and spouts off but I think we can see clearly here that his presence in the Republican party has stirred alot of passion and discussion. This is good for a party that refuses to acknowledge or account for the horrors it has created on a federal level. Matt and his folks are good medicine for the Republican party even if it tastes bitter.
You should thank Matt for drawing this kind of attention to the party. It helps the party look a little bit more like the big tent of old days. If I hadn’t borne witness to the kind of crap the party is pulling right now, I may even consider myself a Republican, but I refuse to deal in fear and shady politics. Matt’s naive, a little cocky, and idealistic but he’ll learn and could very well end up as the future of TN GOP.
Kudos to Matt Collins for being honorable and sticking to the small government principles that the Republican Party SHOULD be standing by.
Well I am glad you are all so astute in how we will turn things around and I hope you are right. My prediction is even if the Davidson County GOP is “taken over,” you will have alienated the state party and those that could actually help your cause enough to where your ideas will go nowhere. Good luck pushing the Ron Paul agenda to Davidson county citizens. It could be successful in other areas of the state, but when it comes time to make that success happen those that could help won’t, because you’ve made them your “enemy” for no reason.
I have been telling republcians for years that Marsha Blackburn is voting like a Rino, but I get Yelled at because she is a republican and she can do no wrong.
Remember All the bad things I posted about Marsha voting for this or against that, well She voted Opposite Ron Paul in these cases. Ron Paul voted correct about 95%-98% of the time. and if Ron Paul was correct and Marsha was incorrect, then why am I yelled at for TELLING everyone what Marsha voted for?
oh,yeah,
Marsha Blackburn is my Congressman.
She is no conservative.
See her unconstitutional votes at :
http://tinyurl.com/qhayna
Mickey
and the Wall Street Journal is indidcating that the District 23 seat will be won by the Conservative Party candidate..
I will NOT vote for a NEO-CON, LIBERAL, or RINO!
Will You?
“The Ron Paul agenda” is nothing to be feared. Nor should even the faux conservatives have such a visceral hatred for it.
What’s even more ironic is that Ron Paul isn’t what’s important here. Ron Paul is merely a man, an obscure doctor from a small coastal town in Texas.
It’s the message that is catching on. And it’s a simple one. “We don’t need leaders, we need Liberty.”
Limited government, that does not interfere with our ability to raise a family and succeed or fail based on our own merits and industry. Avoidance of foreign entanglements and conflicts. Reducing the tax burden to the barest minimum necessary for government operations (which, for me, translates into a 95% reduction in the federal budget ).
Our “enemy” is statism. Collectivists of all stripes who see the power of the federal government as supreme. And who advocate for strong leaders instead of Liberty.
Make no mistake, I view these enemies as mortal ones, whose actions over the past century and a half have stolen my children’s future. What would YOU do to save your children from serfdom?
Fred Thompson endorsed the independent in the 23rd District House race. Will the State Executive Committee or the Davidson County Republican Party be convening a special meeting to oust him from the GOP?
Policing ideological purity or loyalty to the cause by Central Committee is not a good idea. It didn’t work in the old Soviet Union, nor will it work here.
I mostly agree with “Calm Down.” The “l”ibertarians have some good points, but they resort to childish tactics and refuse to reason or even listen to a counter-point. For whatever reason, Congressman Paul’s followers simply cannot engage in productive discussion with someone who does not agree with 100% of their views. Matt Collins has shown through his actions that he is an embarrassment to those he represents and, as such, he should be removed. Heck, even replace him with a level-headed libertarian who is willing to engage in a respectful discussion (after shaking someone’s hand) in an attempt to find common ground and move forward (if any such Ron Paul libertarian exists). Otherwise, let them form their own party and define it by their actions. That would not gain much traction — and has not/did not do so as the “L”ibertarian party — so they converted to a lower-case “l” in a thin-veiled attempt to seize the Republican Party.
As for Kathleen Starnes supporting Conservative Party candidate Hoffman in the NY-23 congressional race, this should be a non-issue. If you do not know about the race and its entrants, please educate yourself. The “Republican” nominee was chosen behind closed doors without a primary and is both pro-gay marriage and pro-choice. Hoffman, on the other hand, represents the more traditional ideals of the Republican Party, including limited government. I suppose that’s why Starnes joined Republicans such as Fred Thompson, Tim Pawlenty, Sarah Palin and Dick Armey (all of whom have endorsed Hoffman). Mitt Romney released a statement saying he will not support the Republican candidate. Starnes’ support of a conservative candidate is much, much different than Collins’ actions (again, actions — not necessarily substance) that reflect poorly on both him and the party.
Theoretically, Libertarians are about as suited to A political party as Anarchists are.
Both groups tend to go their own way, and if you don’t like it, tough.
Ron Paul, and his lemmings, don’t listen, they proclaim.
They don’t persuade, they proclaim.
They can’t compromise, ever, because that’s being a “traitor” to the “principles.”
In essence, they are unfit for membership in any broadbased, organized political party.
Plus, I ask this
David says:
“Well I will not give any money to the State Party or the local County Party.But one thing I will do is work my ass off against these people. Many of you know that I work for the State so I am not going to go to far.”
Do you work for State government or the state party?
I mean you really don’t consider yourself a Libertarian do you, AND draw your livelihood from the great Satan: state government?
The party is best off without the libertarians.
They scare most people.
Hey, “Paul Wilson County”, I see you posted a list of names of Republican state executive committee members for us.
Is KAREN BENNETT the same person who is on the nonpartisan Metro Council?
Just curious as to whether people in District 8 (which voted solidly for Obama) know that their councilwoman is a partisan Republican who holds an elected office in the GOP.
It would be a shame if Ms. Bennett’s constituents found out about that when she comes up for re-election next time.
While I may not agree with all of Matt Collins actions, this will come to bite the Republican Party in the a$$ (whatever happened to the Big Tent Party???). They are simply looking for ANY infraction to remove someone from the party that challenges them to remain true to core conservative principles, and they seek his ouster in a manner not unlike the parliamentary procedures used by the Democratic Mandarins in congress to prevent bills from being read, locking Republican party members out of committee meetings, and denying Republican officials enough floor time to speak.
The Nashville Country Club Repubs are opening up a can of worms with this action, and do not realize that the tide has turned. The Rockefeller, Neo Con, Globalist, and establishment wings of the party have very little support from conservatives (like the Ron Paul/ Sarah Pallin populist factions) and independents alike. It’s a different game now, and the old guard will play from the old rule book at their own peril.
Beth Campbell is one of the main leaders of this and one of the main leaders for bringing Kent Williams back into the Party. But she wants to kick Matt Collins out of the Party? Let’s kick Beth Campbell off the STATE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE NEXT YEAR!
“The Rockefeller, Neo Con, Globalist, and establishment wings of the party have very little support from conservatives (like the Ron Paul/ Sarah Pallin populist factions) and independents alike. It’s a different game now, and the old guard will play from the old rule book at their own peril.”
And this strategy will ensure you win the Republican primaries, but what are you going to do in the general?
Assume those you’ve just kicked out will come back?
I wouldn’t count on it.
You’re making the GOP smaller and smaller.
Even Sen. McConnell understood this.
WOW Matt! YOU’VE DONE WHAT YOU SET OUT TO DO. You have single-handedly shook up the County GOP! And look at all its members and supporters discussing the future and principles of “The Party”. Good Job! I don’t agree 100% with Ron Paul, but I do enjoy the enthusiasm, deemed insanity, by his followers. For the first time in decades, ideas that make since, have folks excited. It will look like insanity to those who can’t see past their masters.
@Davy:
Libertarians support State governments. What we abhor is over-powerful centralized (federal) governments. Write a new thesis, smart guy.
So the attack is on Matt Collins because he is a small gov’t conservative instead of a big gov’t Republican. I WAS a Republican until the GOP attacked Buchanan when they knew Dole was worthless. Now I’m a conservative. I will vote “R” when they are conservative and principled.
I hope you kick Matt out and realize you are killing off the energy in the party, not a bunch of big gov’t worthless idiots who have destroyed the core of the party with claims of small gov’t while increasing it at every opportunity that they can defend.
I vote for liberty and freedom, not because the gov’t makes me safe, but because the gov’t protects my liberties.
Go Matt! I don’t know you, but you are just what this country needs.
[...] So the attack is on Matt… [...]
“Write a new thesis, smart guy.”
OK. Won’t be hard.
Libertarians like William F. Buckley Jr. are for the legalization of drugs.
Are you for that?
Sell that to the evangelical wing.
Buckley was NOT a libertarian. Advocating for “…totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores” is anathema to Liberty and free markets.
To put it mildly, William F. Buckley was a Straussian (aka Neo-Conservative). These folks are nothing but liberals who like a big, strong standing army to deploy all over the world in support of the Warfare/Welfare state (under the absurd guise of “exporing democracy” or “securing liberty for our allies”).
“Buckley was NOT a libertarian. Advocating for “…totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores” is anathema to Liberty and free markets.
To put it mildly, William F. Buckley was a Straussian (aka Neo-Conservative). These folks are nothing but liberals who like a big, strong standing army to deploy all over the world in support of the Warfare/Welfare state (under the absurd guise of “exporing democracy” or “securing liberty for our allies”).”
Oh I forgot. You all have everyone figured out and catagorized.
Buckley considered himself to be a Libertarian.
I guess he should have run it past you all first though, because of course…you all KNOW EVERYTHING.
Us commoners are just sooooo blessed to have you among us. LMAO
You know… It really seems to me, based upon the response to this article, that the TRUE Conservatives who believe in Constitutional principles and limited government aren’t as looney as some of you Neocons think… and it doesn’t sound like they’re going to be going along with your shady antics any longer.
Just wait… the Tea Party movement is going to make sure that all of these RINOs are thrown out on their behinds.
Don’t believe me?
Hehe… just wait.
It seems very obvious that the Party has done enough fear mongering over the past few elections… they put up some liberal candidate who wears a red tie and say “if you don’t vote for our candidate, you’re all going to end up living under communism.”
Well you know what? I sold out to your fear mongering and voted for the “lesser of two evils” candidate FOR THE LAST TIME and you know what I see? I’ll give you a hint… sickle and hammer, baby!
All of you neocons need to wake up and smell the chunks of poop in the Party oatmeal… if you don’t stand up against this moderate bull, you’re going to end up standing in line for mandatory food stamps!
It’s funny that no one defending the status quo, such at the anonymous “Calm Down” person, has bothered to answer one simple question. How is not shaking the hand of a candidate who voted for something that is an anathema to everything the GOP stand for any worse than endorsing a third party candidate over a republican IN A RACE IN ANOTHER STATE? I wish I could say Ms. Starnes was acting out of principle here, but she only took this position after seeing nationally known republicans such as Fred Thompson republicans do the same. Worse she’s not in New York. She has no influence there. In Tennessee where she has influence she hasn’t chosen to stand up for principle.
The bailout is the worst thing to happen to this country in a generation. It set the stage for EVERYTHING Obama is doing now because is gave the precedent that government is the ultimate answer for those who cannot compete. Did Ms. Starnes and other critics of Matt miss the post bailout Newsweek cover “Were all socialists now”? If corrupt bankers can be bailed out than auto makers can be bailed out. If auto makers can be bailed out then those without health care can be bailed out. If those without health care can be bailed out then the government can enact cap and trade to “save the planet”.
Wamp’s switch on the bailout was critical to its passage. The congressional black caucus was initially against the bailout until Obama personally lobbied them. Who personally lobbied Wamp? I don’t know and frankly I don’t care.
But let’s say if voting for the bailout isn’t the cardinal sin that I think it is? What about supporting big labor? I regularly get letters from Jim Demitt and others urging me to help fight big labor initiatives. (So much for the commenter who claimed that everyone complaining was really a democrat). Well it turns out that Zach Wamp supports some of those same initiatives! I don’t know if Matt knew that when he didn’t shake Wamp’s hand, but it shows that he (Matt) called that one correctly.
The GOP has to decide what direction it wants to go in. Does it want to support the Lindsey Grahams of the world who are willing to compromise on cap and trade and other socialist agendas to avoid being a party of “angry white men” (his words, not mine). Or does the GOP want to be a party of principles? Standing for principles is the way to attract voters outside the GOP. As an African American I’ve gotten some ribbing within my own community for not supporting Obama. Someone accused me recently of “only being against bailouts now that Obama is president”. I gently reminded her that I was just against the bailout when Bush was president. Many more African Americans have told me “I at least can respect the guy you support because he stands for something.”
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Matt, Starnes is killing the DCGOP. Before she was chairwoman there were monthly meetings at Logan’s roadhouse. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but there has not been one such meeting since she has been chair. How does she plan to expand the grassroots if she’s not willing to meet with the grassroots?
To Davy:
How to sell the ideas of liberty to evangelicals? Simple. Stress state sovereignty. Its the overreach of the federal government that is the cause of Roe v. Wade. You know. That most hated decision among evangelicals of all time? If Roe v. Wade is overturned (which supposedly is a main goal of republican evangelicals) then abortion isn’t made illegal. States are simply given the option of MAKING it illegal! The same holds true for drug laws. Making them a state issue doesn’t mean that all states will automatically legalize heroine or crack.
Thank you, John… I’m glad you addressed that.
“Libertarians like William F. Buckley Jr. are for the legalization of drugs.
Are you for that?
Sell that to the evangelical wing.”
W.F.Buckley was a smart man he understood the inhumanity of putting people in prison for smoking pot is a waste of human life. I bet the evangelicals are smarter than some people seem to think they are.
I’ll bet even most evangelicals have had a loved one suffering from drug addiction and can see that putting sick people in prison is very inhumane it is also a waste of the tax payers money. What if all of a sudden they put people with cancer or diabetes in prison instead of giving them treatment?
Matt Collins has our support from Hawaii -and MANY places in between. Liberty minded Americans from across our Country are paying attention this -the word is out.
A reminder (previously posted)
Here is the list of people that voted against Matt, now we know who to focus on. We need to raise money now and take all of them out. I have already emailed my Tea Party List
http://www.davidsoncountygop.org/2009-10-28%20Collins_removal.pdf
State Executive Committee
Steve Allbrooks
John Ambrose
Karen Bennett
Beth Campbell
Betty Cannon
Nathan James
Phyllis Streiff
Mark Winslow
Can’t we all just get along? Only we
Independents sleep well at night!
To all the Campaign for Liberty folks posting on this thread: Would you stand for an officer in your organization routinely publishing disparaging remarks about Ron Paul? If I was vicechair of the CFR and said Ron Paul is a hypocrite because he takes earmarks for his district and I will not support him, would you allow me to remain the vice chair?
If you want to serve as an officer in any club or organization, you must follow the rules and bylaws of that organization. If you’re not willing to do that, then you should not serve in a leadership capacity.
CFR– Should be CFL (Campaign for Liberty)
You know, if you clowns were actually capable of raising money and getting the people you want elected, you wouldn’t be here lamenting about poor Matt, deriding the Republican Party and making idle threats. If you had a good plan, we’d all be coming over to your side. You can’t even stage a decent coup. You publish your “strategy” on your public websites, behave like 4-year-olds, then get all pissy when it doesn’t work out for you. If anyone doubted your motives before, they’re crystal clear now. Take your ball and go home. Oh, never mind, you don’t have a ball.
It is somewhat telling when “bylaws” are used desperately to trump the very mission statements or platforms supposedly at the heart of the matter.
Further more, and also telling, adults should be able to differentiate between “how” something is said vs. “what” is said. Those who purposely focus on the “how” are clearly not serving the platform or mission statement.
Red Head.. The Legislature is controlled by the GOP, and the next Governor will not be a democrat.
So I think the GOP is doing well.
Not that it matters to me, It would not hurt my feelings to see both major parties out of power.
Coalitions fall apart once one or more coalition allies realize they are doing most or all of the compromising and there is no payoff. At that point they begin looking around for fresh alliances.
We need more
Republicans like Matt Collins
Or
Neocons will
Punk
Americans
Until
Libertarians get elected.
Corey,
Those people did not vote against Matt. You could read or actually follow the link that you posted to figure that out. Stuff such as this ignorant witchhunt is the reason you will not ever be taken seriously.
My rebuke of Matt is no defense of Kathleen Starnes. Once again, Matt is not being discussed because of his ideals, it’s his actions, which are way more than some idiotic refusal to shake someones hand. Sending out good emails about liberty and the constitution do not qualify you to be a leader. A libertarian within the DCRP would be great, Collins is not that leader.
Isn’t it amazing how ‘we’ have become nuts, kooks, radicals, et al by striving to get Republicans back on track to being…….Republicans. That is what is being called “taking over the Party”.
…….Ron
Mark: Oldest object ever seen in universe:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091028/sc_afp/astronomyspacebigbang_20091028233220
Wilder?
Mr. Cadby -
Get the Republican Party back on track? Did we ask? Were you appointed? You want a stage. You don’t have a stage. You try to take our stage. We say “No.” We have enough problems. Dealing with petulant, scowling adolescents is a distraction from what we should be doing.
For the record - many Republicans were libertarians long before Dr. Paul was doing rectal exams in medical school. Give it a rest.
@ Ron Cadby - So true. Reminds me of a bumper sticker or T-shirt I saw recently which said something like: “If you to be branded a dangerous radical, walk around quoting the founding fathers.”
@ redhead - As long as the repubs continue to be democrat-lite real liberals won’t need to touch them because they can have the real thing. Real conservatives won’t touch them after the last election now that both parties are essentially the same (Do you REALLY think a president “call it a banana” McCain would veto the stimulus bill, or cap & trade?) .
If all you want is to “get along” you’re in the wrong place. Some of us would take up arms to secure our children’s freedom. And YES, it’s that important. Ben Franklin knew it, and his relationship with his Tory son was never the same afterward.
[...] @ Ron Cadby - So true. Reminds me of a… [...]
One thing is certain. Neocons HATE Ron Paul.
If the GOP cannot tell that their own Party is in disarray, and that it’s grasp is now almost entirely with “guard” from the left, wanting to take more from us, and have more control over us, then forget the old adage, “Wake up and smell the coffee”, ’cause it’s already dinner time…
Use the time wisely, and get the GOP “back wehere it’s principles SHOULD be”, or they’ll be nothing left, but the left…
Guaranteed…
To the REPUBLIC!!!!
Rock I am not a republican, but the Republicans are comming together, they are sorting out their positions as they are.
It is the Democrat party that is comming apart at the seams.
Heck.. Obama has done in 8 months to the democrat party what It took W 8 years to do to the Republican party.
Matt, you are the only reason I am hanging in with the GOP. You go, I go. I, for one, am sick of business as usual. You and the other Constitutionally minded are the only ones that can save the once great Republican Party and this Country. We have been sold out. God speed!!
I was first excited to hear that Ron Paul liberarians were making moves to impact the DCRP with a young energetic man named Matt Collins. Then I started learning about Matt Collins; sadly, he is too arrogant, closed minded, and ineffectual to lead anything. Good idea, wrong person.
JB: Using your own logic Kathleen Starnes should resign for going against the head of the national GOP and endorsing Doug Hoffman. You can’t have it both ways. Kathleen herself used the term “Rhino” to describe Hoffman’s opponent. (Did she mean RINO)? Either party officials can make disparaging remarks about people they think are “RINOs” or they can’t. It’s funny how some people want to selectively enforce the bylaws.
redhead: Your comments are barely worth acknowledging except to point out that it’s funny to watch people make shrill hysterical posts and then accuse others of “acting like 4 year olds”.
Again folks. Look at Wamp’s record. He supported the bailout which has put our country on the road to socialism. He supports big labor at a time when the national party is trying to slow down the big labor - democratic party steam roller. Why is calling Hoffman’s opponent a “RINO” ok for Starnes but telling the truth about Wamp not ok for Matt?
I think people are confusing extreme right wingers with Libertarians.
They are not the same things.
Libertarians are liberal on social issues (legalization of drugs, prostitution, abortion, gay marriage etc) with MINIMAL govt interference on economic issues.
The people who are posting on here, I greatly doubt would support what true Libertarians would support.
Extreme right wingers could never support the legalization of drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, or abortion.
I think it’s pretty easy to see what those who are posting on here claiming to be Libertarians, really are.
Guys don’t forget about Beth Campbell, she is one of the ring leaders getting Matt kicked out. Hey Beth we are going to take you out in next year election.
Back in 1976 I ran for a state senate opening as a 3rd party candidate…everyone in my party said I had not one chance in hades in winning…I believed them…until I started campaning…had I followed my gut I would have campained harder and through out my senate district…not just in my little corner. I won every voting district that I campained in.
The Point: I like Matt and I like Ron…but they both have some smoothing out that needs to take place. Keep up the hard work and the polish will come…hopefully the polish will come in time.
But you must admitt Matt is making people start to write down how they think they feel. (wish we had spell check)
To cmarcus45: Your trying to distinguish Starnes’ actions from Matt’s is laughable. Starnes has a problem with some NY candidate being “pro gay marriage”? Well why can’t Matt have a problem with a TENNESSEE candidate being PRO BAILOUT? Really which is worse for the country, gay marriage or socialism? Does the fact that Stalin sent gays to the gulag make him somehow acceptable? I’m don’t support gay marriage, but I do have my priorities straight. (no pun intended).
I support Ron Paul and his ideals…I am not some crazy pot smoking hippie..I am a conservative with traditional values..That being said..I feel betrayed by the TN Republican Party..I am not represented by Blackburn or Lamar Alexander…The real people of TN want small government and to follow the Constitution..that is it! We don’t want bailouts, endless wars,and backdoor politics! We want honesty and sound monetary policy…Kick the NEOCONS out of the Republican Party and stand for the truth!
Go Matt!
Amen, Joey!
Hurray for Matt Collins! Keep fighting the power-structure that has sold a once proud party down the Progressive river. The good ol’ boys who current run the party do not know what is coming at them.
Real Conservatives who actually believe in Liberty, Personal Responsibility and Limited Government will again take the reigns of the party.
The posters who are so adamantly against what the DCRP did have no idea what they are talking about. How about some facts!
The multiple posts with the names of people who supposedly voted in favor of the removal show names taken from letterhead stationary. Not people who actually attended and voted.
If Collins did what he’s accused of, he should not be on the Executive Committee. The job of the Executive Committee is to elect Republicans. If your goal is anything other than that, you don’t need to be on the Exec. Committee.
As a GOP activist for over 30 years, I have often had to support nominees that I didn’t support in the primaries. It’s about building the party and getting people elected with an R behind their name.
As to the NY 23 race, there is no rule against any DCRP member endorsing the Conservative candidate. He is not running in Davidson County or Tennessee. And the stupid comments about Thompson and Palin supporting the Conservative candidate are just thrown out there to muddy the waters. They are private citizens!
Matt Collins should either apologize for his comments if he wants to remain on the Exec. Comm. or he should resign.
To Redhead
I just wanted to remind you that Ron Paul’s campaign in 2008 redefined fundraising on a grassroots level. He set records for single day fundraising. He received more campaign contributions from active-duty military than all the other Republican candidates combined. He did this all without the support of Wall steet, K street, and the popular media. We would gladly take our ball and watch you shriek all the way to an obscure historical footnote if we felt like it was good for our nation. But the current state of things has thrown our lot together. There is always room for compromise on certain issues. There is, however, no longer room for compromise when it comes to fundamental issues of liberty. That is why our folks are stubborn. We are clinging to liberty not just for our sake, but for yours as well.
Supporters of Ron Paul are being characterized as myopians by the establishment on this page. This is not true. I’m sure if people spoke out against Ron Paul in the CFL website it would stir a heated debate, but please remember that we are individualists. We can hear differing opinions without shutting our ears. What we cannot abide, however, is the same liberty-destroying rhetoric that has been compromising our Constitution for a century or more. The CFL movement is a conservative movement. It is also a diverse one that is more dynamic than these folks can acknowledge. I sense a fear on their part. Good luck without us. You were more than happy to jump on the tea-party bandwagon post election. You are more than happy to align yourselves, when it suits your interests, with a movement you despise. When you feel your own power threatened, however, you do what you’ve always done. You seek to squash it at any cost.
“The problem in this Country isn’t the pinko commie self-hating Democrats it’s the spineless Republicans who lack the intellectual stamina to become libertarians and the egg head libertarians who lack the guts to become Riflemen”.
“A day every voting age citizen has a rifle in one hand and a copy of the Bill of Rights in the other this Country will be a free Nation again”.
Quotes Paraphrased from “Boston On Guns and Courage” by Boston T. Party @http://www.javelinpress.com/
Tennessee phony republicans like so many around the country, have elected one loser after the next at the national level. This republican family supports ALL RON PAUL people. If that means handing elections over to democrats, so be it. No more compromising with phony republicans
Red Rock wrote: “The posters who are so adamantly against what the DCRP did have no idea what they are talking about. How about some facts!
The multiple posts with the names of people who supposedly voted in favor of the removal show names taken from letterhead stationary. Not people who actually attended and voted.”
It is not being against the DCRP, it is principle.
It is also the “animated contest of freedom”.
Okay Red Rock, what are the facts? I gladly welcome the facts if you care to provide them. Yet as a simple “R” behind the name seems a sufficiant criteria for you, and so many others, I doubt you will provide those names. Please prove me wrong. Sad, this mess is what is known as “party before principle” which obviously hasn’t worked and what fear perpetuates.
I can’t believe the level of hypocrisy I’m seeing! Well I take that back. After seeing republicans back the Bush bailout and then come out against the Obama bailout I’m not surprised.
To Red Rockhead. Do you REALLY believe that Matt should resign for not supporting a particular republican WHO IS NOT EVEN YET THE PARTY NOMINEE and yet it’s somehow ok for Starnes to support a third party candidate ABOVE THE PARTY CANDIDATE? That’s just RIDICULOUS! If the point of being a GOP party official is to “help anyone with an R after his name” become elected then it’s better to go against the unprincipled candidate in the primary than it is during the general election. Really Starnes is the one who should resign.
You know why they don’t like Matt?? What it really comes down to, they refuse to follow the Constitution. Matt keeps bringing it up and they just can’t allow that.
Write letters and let them know how you feel about it.
@Davy -
The problem with the Republican Party is one of an identity crisis, that started long before today. Compare 1952, 1964 and 1968; Eisenhower, Goldwater and Nixon/Ford. Go read wikipedia, if you must, and find out what these folks were really about.
You’re incorrect in your understanding of Libertarian principles. There are tons of people who claim to be a Libertarian, who really aren’t. Bill Maher is a fine example of this.
Economically, we are more conservative than the modern GOP (TARP, anyone?), and are against community planning by big business (Chambers of Commerce).
Socially, we are indeed tolerant. It’s so whacky. We don’t want to hang people from trees or drag them behind a truck, because of their race or sexual orientation.
And yes, most controversially, we don’t care if people use drugs. I guess the 0.33% return on the investment in enforcement (Nationally, in 2002: Spent $19B in enforcement, seized $64M in drugs and (mostly) assets combined, while $60B of drugs came into the country) - not even accounting for the (even greater) costs of incarceration - is okay for you. As a staunch fiscal conservative, though, I find this sickening; more-so than some moron blowing out their mind in their own home.
Even the Hard Religious Right Wingers in the Constitution Party have been talking about ending federal drug prohibition because it’s ineffective and hurts state sovereignty.
Abortion cuts down the middle of the party, and we have a caucus for each side of the argument. But let me remind you; there are pro-life Dems and pro-choice Reps. As far as I know, the only party that drums people out for being pro-choice is the Constitution Party (who disaffiliated an entire state party over it).
And prostitution? Ask any divorced man if the intercourse was free, in the long run. Just sayin’.
It might be good to remember (or learn for the first time) what the purpose of a county party executive committee is. Its job is to organize events to help its nominees get elected to public office and to provide poll watchers for election day, and to do very little else that does not relate to those two things. The executive committee is not congress, the legislature, or even a city council. It is not a debate society and its proclamations neither affirm nor reject a law. They can not create public policy. The executive committee is likely made up of many constitutionalists, and limited government conservatives, however debating the merits of public policy positions would do little more than waste the time of a body of volunteers whose sole reason to exist is to win elections, and who probably only meet once or twice a month for a couple of hours. It is not even within the county party executive committee’s authority to create a platform or a fundamental statement of political belief except that such statement echoes the national party position and the state party position.
It sounds like this might be a case of misplaced debate.
I uess the Davidson County GOP is gonna boot First Vice Chairman Matt Collins and replace him with Dede Scozzafava.
the arms of the Illuminati has reached the state level. Look at the very top of the courthouse you will see a Gold owl. tell me what Secrete Group this represents?……Give up the Bohemion Grove. Matt speak his mind in a day when that is not politicly correct, Why I do not know but we need people that speak their mind, Real people Not puppets. The owl represents that we have puppets attemping to rule this State government. Matt Is not one of them and for that He is PArt of their problem.. IF I were Matt I would be very obeservant you know what they are capable of.