They Must Break Him

16 Responses to “They Must Break Him”

1. dontcallmemikey writes
   July 20th, 2009 9:44 am

   That’s the key - they don’t want change, so they’re going to stall and delay, ’cause they know the majority of the American public is for it. Party of No at it once again … the NOP.

2. volvoice writes
   July 20th, 2009 10:04 am

   It’s either break him or he will literally break us. It has to be one or the other.

3. Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator writes
   July 20th, 2009 10:09 am

   DeMint has a point, since Obama did make health care reform a must-pass issue for him this year. OTOH, don’t count Obama out. He outwitted the Clintons and a huge conservative smear campaign against him to get where he is today. I don’t think DeMint will be the one to knock him down.

   Plus, the pro-reform side has an unwitting ally: the health insurance industry. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17

4. dontcallmemikey writes
   July 20th, 2009 10:20 am

   Brawndo (w. electrolytes), you are correct. Did you hear about they guy who said the ins. co.’s big fear was that people would watch ‘Sicko’ and understand it was true what Moore was saying?

5. H writes
   July 20th, 2009 10:32 am

   @dontcallmemikey Is it really fair to say that “the majority of the American public is for it?”

   The Washington Post/ABC News poll puts support for Obama’s plan at less than 50%. Were you thinking of May’s more general CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll?

   If you’ve been reading opinion that cites either of these polls I’d recommend revisiting the numbers from both and reading “How to Lie with Statistics” by Darrell Huff.

6. dontcallmemikey writes
   July 20th, 2009 10:39 am

   well, both sides need that, don’t they, H?

   July 14th Gallup/USAToday puts the numbers at 56% favor health care reform, 33% opposed - now that’s reform in general, not a specific plan. I could argue that it doesn’t matter what Obama wants, he doesn’t pass legislation - Congress does. I suspect the final will be somewhere in between, with a public option. But yes, in the main, reform is favored by the majority, for which DeMint most certainly does not speak - he speaks for the party of DeLay and oppose.

7. Emmy Lou writes
   July 20th, 2009 10:56 am

   I’d say DeMint speaks for the army of insurance lobbyists currently blowing through $1.4M a day to oppose reform. Either way, he’s already set with a great insurance plan that won’t drop him if he gets cancer, so I guess the rest of us can just deal.

8. TNVolunteer73 writes
   July 20th, 2009 10:56 am

   Dontcallmemikey

   Yes they want reform, But they do not want a government option that competes with private insurance.

   People don’t trust the government.

   http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/healthcare/july_2009/50_oppose_government_health_insurance_company

   Would it be a good idea to set up a government health insurance company to compete with private health insurance companies?

   Yes
   35%

   No
   50%

   Not Sure
   15%

9. dontcallmemikey writes
   July 20th, 2009 11:01 am

   I would say, though, TNVol, that if you asked not about a ‘government helath insurance company’ but instead, something along the lines of Medicare, then the numbers would be reversed. Medicare is run fairly well and people trust it … I know, go broke yada yada … but try to remove it or even reinvent it and see what kind of opposition you’d get. You put it as ‘like Medicare’ - which it will ultimately be like - and those numbers change drastically.

10. TNVolunteer73 writes
    July 20th, 2009 11:23 am

    Medicare is a Government Healthcare Company that does not give Adequate Coverage.

    We Pay premiums from our First job until age 65… Then at age 65 we are forced onto Medicare… Which provides such poor coverage, that we will have to buy PRIVATE suplimental Medicare insurance to cover the uncovered healthcare expeses in the Medicare coverage.

    Medicare is not free you pay 5% of your income for LIFE to pay for Medicare insurance.

11. TNVolunteer73 writes
    July 20th, 2009 11:24 am

    PS Remember the Average Life expectancy of a US Citizen is 73.5 Years.

    You pay that 5% of your LIFETIME income for just 8 years of insurance coverage.

12. Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator writes
    July 20th, 2009 11:30 am

    I’d have to be in the 50% against the public option myself and I think Medicare is a poor model for Obama’s reform efforts.

    I’d like to see moderates in both parties come together on a free-market proposal like Switzerland has. bit.ly/yhfDq It maintains the private aspect of insurance and health care delivery with some sensible regulations for both consumers and insurers to follow.

13. TNVolunteer73 writes
    July 20th, 2009 11:34 am

    Brawndo…

    Exactly… and give tax Credits (not to be confused with deductions) for healthcare insurance premiums.

    There will have to be laws that prevent Cherry picking, and loss of coverage.

14. Brawndo: It's Got Electrolytes! writes
    July 20th, 2009 12:03 pm

    TNVol73: So why isn’t your party suggesting something like this instead of pleading for the unacceptable status quo?

15. TNVolunteer73 writes
    July 20th, 2009 1:09 pm

    Brawndo…

    He is not a member of my Party.. I am a Constitutional Conservitive.

    But McCain did propose this.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/29/mccain.healthcare/index.html

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16. Donna Locke writes
    July 20th, 2009 10:56 pm

    Without supplemental insurance in the event of catastrophic surgery and hospitalization, you’d go broke/have to declare bankruptcy fairly quickly with just Medicare. At Medicare age, you can count on some catastrophe before you die. Obamacare is insane, unfair to the responsible, and would quickly prove unsustainable, while finishing off what’s left of the middle class.