The Nashville Tea Party
By Kleinheider Posted on February 27, 2009 at 2:21 pmDru reports on the remarks of Ben Cunningham:
If they are not willing to fight for us we will turn them out. Jim Cooper, I had great hopes for him, his rhetoric was good, he said he was against deficit spending, but he caved. We’ve got to make sure that Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker fight for us. We don’t need a tepid response. We don’t need a maybe. We need them in there fighting so that we don’t lose our country. This budget is a fairy tale. This budget was the last straw. This budget shows trillion dollar deficits as far as you can see. There will come a point in time when taxpayers simply cannot bear the burden of debt. Barack Obama didn’t borrow this money. Nancy Pelosi didn’t borrow this money. They used our credit worthiness to borrow this money. At some point, the people who buy the debt will say, look, the American taxpayer has too much debt. They can’t pay all this debt. They are not going to buy our debt. We are going to be bankrupt. We have got to stop before we reach that point. We have got to have elected representatives who will fight for us.”
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Those McCain voters just can’t get over it, can they? Nice to see the diversity in that crowd . . . What? Uh, oh, I must’ve looked at the wrong flicker set.
[...] Tennessee Tea Party Roundup. [...]
SOO?? Im I to understand that President Obama has been the president for the last 8-10 years.?? Yes, he is the President that pandered to political maneuvering to being the “Sub prime Mortgage era)!! Lamar Alexander hasn’t been in congress for the last, oh lets say, a LIFETIME??!!
This Stimulus is a fairy tale?? As opposed to the stimulus President Bush signed last year??
Yes i have to admit, that 911, the Housing Crisis, the bank meltdown, and Albert Haynesworth going to the Redskins is all the diabolical plan enacted by the “antichrist”, “Muslim”, “Terrorist”, “socialist”, “cigarette smoking”, “non-U.S citizen”, “left-handed”, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!!!!!!!
These people will look awfully silly when the stimulus package puts people to work and the economy comes roaring back.
I’m just waiting for the Republicans to embrace a hatred of “nation building” and a desire for a “humble” foreign policy once more.
Remember when George Bush’s numbers nosedived? It wasn’t because of the war, that had held steady for years, and that was about the time things were starting to turn around.
No, the decline happened because Republicans abandoned Bush, and they did so over two things: spending and immigration.
You are deluding yourselves if you think that huge swaths of conservatives had no problem with the crazy spending by Bush and the congressional Republicans.
Your hypocrisy cheap shots don’t hold water.
These Republicans just get crazier by the day. They certainly have a loose (ignorant) definition of communism and socialism, but whatever. I suppose they would rather us do nothing to address perhaps the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression. We see how well that concept has been received in the aftermath of the Gov. Bob Jindal disaster. The sad thing is, this no government, no taxes crap flies in these parts.
FWIW, one of the more restrained wackos at the Tea Party said, “Obama isn’t just a socialist - he’s a radical communist!”
You don’t get any more un-American than lying about your own president.
And they call themselves “patriots”? Try… traitors.
Shouldn’t they be working?
“You don’t get any more un-American than lying about your own president.
And they call themselves “patriots”? Try… traitors.”
I guess you missed that whole Huffpo/DailyKos thing the last few years.
Wow, talk about short term memory loss.
Spaz,
Remember, its not a lie if you believe what you are saying.
If there was such HUGE swaths of Re publican’s who defected from Bush, then sir how did he receive a second term? How is that the six and a half years of Republican control in congress, did the spending GET PASSED and signed into LAW ??
i SEE NO hypocrisy from my point of view. Where is it? I take no CHEAP shot sir, the CHEAP shots are those whom see Obama as the REASON we are in the economic situation we find ourselves.
If conservative voters where concerned with the economics of the past presidency instead of “GUNS”, “GAYS”, “ABORTION RIGHTS”, then they would be a to see the forest from the trees!
It is hypocritical for conservative leaders and voters to now cry “OUTRAGE” when the past years (6-8) have seen a steady if not pouring increase in spending and increases in Governmental mandates.
It gets old hearing people (conservatives) when they protest “i work hard, i don’t wanna pay for nobody else sitting at home on their asses”!! How many of these “protesters” benefited from sub-prime mortgages? How many have lost their jobs? How many have even read the budget THEMSELVES and not just Phil Valentine or Rush?? How many benefit from medicaid?
No sir, the hypocrisy is “the fairy tale” that This President should just sit around and wait it out. Until no one has a job. If he had done nothing this far what would they then say? “He ain’t doing nothing, he’s a fat cat in D.C. now.”
Call Bush #2 and ask him why he let the economy hit rock bottom, in the name of war?? Where was the protest, the outrage, the demand for spending to stop??? Where i ask you sir, where?
I will tell you where, it was in the banks applying for those sub-prime loans, it was at the local club meetings talking about how democrats don’t believe in God, how they are baby killers and how they gone take away the second amendment, and how they gone put “a gay” with “a gay” and let them get married. ALL IN THE NAME OF GOOD REPUBLICANISM.
But i guess if John McCain was president the dept would have been gone in these two months, everybody would have jobs, and Albert haynesworth would still be a titan!
What I find funny are the people that try to portray this in a Republican vs. Democrat light.
Most of the people behind this (”most” not all) started getting fed up with Bush long ago. So yeah…it’s a problem that’s been festering with a Republican in office. Before that, it was festering with a Democrat in office. Now, it’s boiling over with a Democrat in office.
It’s not a party issue. Get out of your party vs. party mentality. This is a government-as-a-whole issue.
Reality, the only problem with you analogy is that the Left never did lie about anything that George W. Bush did or who he really was.
Unlike you and the wingnut crowd who just pull words out of their asses and make shit up.
You know it’s true.
Blake,
Yep, when Bush’s numbers took a nose dive, the Republicans who headed up this group of rabble rousers started to distance themselves in order to maintain political viability.
I’ll give Ben Cunningham his dues, he’s ideologically consistent, Nathan Moore and Robin Smith? Not so much.
[...] And, courtesy of A.C. Kleinheider, a Nashville Post report, with video, on the Nashville protest. [...]
Alright Blake. I’ll bite.
You claim this isn’t a “Republican vs. Democrat” issue. That it’s a “government-as-a-whole issue”.
Show me ONE TIME - ANY TIME - when you so-called “patriots” complained about “big government” when George W. Bush was building it. Or when Reagan expanded governement for that matter.
One.
C’mon, man. Why do you have to lie? Man up.
We both know that not a damn one of the people down at the Tea Party said a fucking thing about “Big Government socialism” while W. and the GOP were in power and running up the debt, starting wars of convenience, pushing the Patriot Act, and creating the Department of Homeland Security.
This is ABSOLUTELY a partisan issue. The Republican Party has failed the country and now is looking for a way - any way - to trash President Obama as he tries to clean up the mess you and your kind created. You and the rest of the wingnuts are nothing more than cowards who refuse to take personal responsibility for your own failures and bringing the country down with you. You’re doing it right now by pretending that “true conservatives” were always against the Bush Administration’s program.
You’re just lying, dude. Grow a pair and be honest about it, then we can have a real conversation about how to move the country forward.
Blake, where those participating today, conservatives or Democrats? I assume since “REPUBLICAN” legislators where there and speaking to the crowd, it was a conservative base. There in tells the party divide.
Im an independent thinker, but I can also visually and mentally SEE that the people protesting are conservatives. You cant escape that no matter how you would like it to be, whenever the speakers and the crowd are PARTISIAN!
Im just bringing to light the fact that the pot is damn near flipping off the stove hot, and president Obama is made the scapegoat. Not many LEADERS go into an organization when the situation is dire and a situation that hasn’t been seen since the 1930’s. I don’t recall President Bush handling such catastrophic events with a stead fast hand?
Mrs. Blake i am not attacking you either, I’m just pointing out my stance and not trying to belittle your ideals.
I was there, Hughes.
It was all Republicans and Ron Paul kooks.
And not a damn one of them had anything to say about solving the economic crisis except to call the President of the United States a “radical communist” and a “socialist”.
And the signs they were holding? Man, I am kicking myself for not having a camera handy. Maybe you’ll see some of them on TV - Channel 2 covered the rally.
Who knew that so many Tennesseans were traitors?
If it makes you feel any better, you could count on one hand how many of those people were actually from Davidson County.
Reality, the only problem with you analogy is that the Left never did lie about anything that George W. Bush did or who he really was.
Unlike you and the wingnut crowd who just pull words out of their asses and make shit up.
You know it’s true.
We’ll just laugh and move on.
Spaz — How do you know how many people there were from Davidson County? Can you tell just by looking at people? Such judgment! By the way, from my small corner of the crowd, I would have to used both hands and feet to count the Davidson County people.
Besides, what does the county of residence matter?
“then sir how did he receive a second term?”
Because the Dems put up a worse candidate?
“Show me ONE TIME - ANY TIME - when you so-called “patriots” complained about “big government” when George W. Bush was building it.”
I’ll raise my hand higher than anyone here. I DID!
“You’re just lying, dude. Grow a pair and be honest about it, then we can have a real conversation about how to move the country forward.”
Logically speaking, this statement makes no sense because you don’t know me. Hence, you have no ground to stand on after making such statements. Have fun with your party politics.
I want to pose another question? How many in the crowd or on the mic know what “SOCIALISM” IS????? How many have studied it or read the forth most theorist in socialism? How many of these people “READ” VARYING newspapers and economic theories? how many of these people know who, Karl Marx, Max Weber, Paul Krugman, Milton Friedman?? I would say less than 1% because they only listen to 99.7 fm and they only read the the TV guide. (no offense to those who do) But my point is, if people are so against Socialism or every aspect of socialism, well they should be for a state income tax, because who’s gonna pay to fix those roads we drive on, fix the bridges we cross, put heat in your house?? Cause the are aspects of the dreaded “SOCIALISM”, the “mark of the beast.”
EDUCATION IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING
We must have hit a nerve as the lefties are in a bit of a tizzy. It’s fun to watch, and easy to read, ESPECIALLY IN ALL CAPS. Sorry there wasn’t enough diversity, though - we are more interested in ideas. Check that box, if you’ve got it.
Regards,
Nathan aka ideologically inconsistent guy (or something like that)
If you really believeve in Obama’s policy, have you give up your money yet and spread the wealth and wait for Obama’s ration?
So Blake, you are acknowledging, that party politics played a role in his re-election over the betterment of the government-as-a whole? Is it your interpretation that Kerry was a worse candidate, because the ineptitude show over the last 8years is unbridled. Kerry has done good things in his state with health care and other agenda’s.
he may have been boring at times, but ill take a competent yet boring President, over a inept, slow to act, uncertain President.
“Im an independent thinker, but I can also visually and mentally SEE that the people protesting are conservatives. You cant escape that no matter how you would like it to be, whenever the speakers and the crowd are PARTISIAN!”
Conservative? Yes. Liberal? Probably not. Of course, there’s an ideological line. I just think it’s illogical to think of this as a party issue. There are many of us who have been speaking out against big government no matter the party affiliation.
Everyone on here that takes offense starts saying that it’s a party issue…independent thinking? Not so much.
So Blake, you are acknowledging, that party politics played a role in his re-election over the betterment of the government-as-a whole?
The government has been declining in the betterment arena for many years now. It was a lose-lose situation with either candidate. Same with the most recent election.
Kerry has done good things in his state with health care and other agenda’s.
And what do those agendas have to do with the authority invested in Congress by the Constitution?
Therein lies my frustrations with the entire governmental apparatus.
“EDUCATION IS THE KEY TO UNDERSTANDING”
Exactly. Please see the Federalist Papers, Constitution, etc.
-Blake out-
No, you misunderstand me, Im not saying that it shouldn’t be and UN partisan issue. I logically should be. Im just stating that from all that Ive seen and heard it is party affiliated. I don’t know any Dems calling Obama a Socialist, or a communist.
I didnt receive an invite, nobody i know did either. I was never told this was going on? being an independent thinker doesn’t mean i may not be prone to be leaning toward one party (or train of thought) over another. It just allows me to step back and analyze what idea, policy best suits my beliefs, I agree with SOME ideals on the right, moderate, as well i disagree with some left ideals (like sub-prime lending).
Mr. Moore, Im no lefty or a righty, am a MAN of pragmatic ideology. You can say a”REALIST”
Myna, im sure that you dont make over 250,000 a year as you would not be on post politics BLOG, instead of running your 250,000 business.
TN GOP says ‘No’ to stimulus
Anti-tax activist Ben Cunningham addresses the crowd at the Tennessee GOP’s Tea Party to oppose President Obama’s economic initiatives.
A conservative crowd listens to speeches on the Legislative Plaza
Listen here: Ben Cunningham says ‘no’ to stimulus
Ben Cunningham’s remarks:
“We’ve had TARP. We got the omnibus bill that has 9,000 earmarks. It also has a little provision in there to destroy the school voucher system that was implemented in Washington, D.C. So Mr. Obama is saying to the parents of Washington, D.C. I demand for myself that which I am going to deny to you. We have got to call them on this abuse of power. It doesn’t matter whether they have an R or a D or an I, we have got to hold them accountable. If they are not willing to fight for us we will turn them out. Jim Cooper, I had great hopes for him, his rhetoric was good, he said he was against deficit spending, but he caved. We’ve got to make sure that Lamar Alexander and Bob Corker fight for us. We don’t need a tepid response. We don’t need a maybe. We need them in there fighting so that we don’t lose our country. This budget is a fairy tale. This budget was the last straw. This budget shows trillion dollar deficits as far as you can see. There will come a point in time when taxpayers simply cannot bear the burden of debt. Barack Obama didn’t borrow this money. Nancy Pelosi didn’t borrow this money. They used our credit worthiness to borrow this money. At some point, the people who buy the debt will say, look, the American taxpayer has too much debt. They can’t pay all this debt. They are not going to buy our debt. We are going to be bankrupt. We have got to stop before we reach that point. We have got to have elected representatives who will fight for us.”
Excerpts from Tennessee GOP website:
“The Tennessee Republican Party added its support to the grassroots movement growing nationwide in opposition to the Obama administration’s relentless march to enact endless “bailouts” and “economic stimulus” packages that are pushing America trillions of dollars deeper into debt while putting the American taxpayer on the hook for the bill for hundreds of billions of dollars in pork projects and payoffs to liberal special-interest groups.
“This Friday, Middle Tennessee joined a growing list of locales around the country where Americans gathered to protest and hold symbolic “Tea Parties,” inspired by CNBC reporter Rick Santelli, whose anti-mortgage bailout rant from the floor of the Chicago Commodities Exchange sparked the nationwide modern-day version of the Boston Tea Party that helped spark the American Revolution.
“The Middle Tennessee Tea Party was held noon to 1 p.m., Friday, February 27, 2009, at Legislative Plaza, located at Sixth Ave. and Union Street in downtown Nashville.
“A decade ago, thousands of Tennesseans from all walks of life gathered at Legislative Plaza for a series of protests that ultimately led to the defeat of a proposed state income tax. Tennesseans know that public protest has the power to stop bad policy, and this Friday Tennesseans again have the opportunity to stand up and make their voices heard in protest of the reckless fiscal policies of the Obama administration,” said Bill Hobbs, communications director for the Tennessee Republican Party.
“This is not about political parties or partisanship,” Hobbs said. “It is about the future, and whether we will continue to heap trillions of dollars in debt on our children and grandchildren.”
The Middle Tennessee Tea Party is organizing via the Internet, with a web page on Facebook.com.
“The national Tea Party movement is online at http://www.nationwidechicagoteaparty.com/.”
Is this NOT PATISIAN??
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Alright angry people, let’s calm down a bit. Get it out of your heads that any of us showed up today because Republicans got it right and we’re just mad at the Democrats. Not in the least. Just because the GOP showed up and gave their support does not mean they were running the affair. The GOP speakers at the rally were mostly challengers, not currently in office, so they’re campaigning to replace those who caused this mess. Including Republicans. They’re opportunists just like any political party. That’s politics. Though it’s easy and you might think you’re being cute by making the typical racial, classist, party-line remarks, it’s just ridiculous. Get past the Dem vs. Repub mindset.
Those of us who organized it are not professional protesters. We’re not partisans. We’re not even all in agreement on everything, and I’m sure we’d form a rather lackluster political party if we tried. But that’s not what this is about. It’s about being fed up with big, wasteful government, something to which George W. Bush was an extraordinary contributor. But guess what? He’s out of office now. That’s in the past. Petitioning him and blaming him does no good. The only problem causers we need to be concerning ourselves with at the moment are the elected officials currently in office. Blaming GW might make you feel awesome and superior, but it’s fruitless. Get past it. Barack Obama is President, and we will not give him a pass just because Bush did the same awful things.
The libertarians and conservatives among us who are truly limited-government and free market folks are more than happy that the Republicans took a lashing during the election. It’s forcing them to come to terms with their “say one thing and do another” philosophy. At least with Obama, we saw it coming. He’s delivering on his promises, but weak-minded, ill-advised ideas delivered remain weak-minded and ill-advised.
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Take a look at the pictures. Sure, you’ll no doubt zero in on the one nutjob with a crazy sign, a guy who is probably rambling on about conspiracy theories. But let him go, there’s one in every crowd. Look at the majority of the people. Quite normal, non? In Nashville, we had a whole swath of folks arriving on their lunch break, walking over from their workplaces downtown. So yes, BrassAss, they should be working, and thank the Lord they are. They gave up their precious lunch break to show their frustration alongside a host of people who feel helpless, like a thief is being allowed to ransack each of our houses right in front of us and all the while we are told by the authorities, on their way out with another helpful box load, that we should stop being so greedy.
We were frustrated with Bush, and that’s why you saw such a defection of true conservatives from the GOP. And our frustration is mounting with those currently in power. Gov’t is CLEARLY the problem, not the solution. Bush proved it, and Obama is merely the same song in a different key. If you’re honest with yourself, you can see it. We’re only going to get louder from here, friends. Put the petty bickering about parties aside; study up on sound economics, the fight for liberty, and the histories of the all-providing government; take a look at the facts, and join us.
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I can appreciate your honest opinion, BUT i study the economy, and if Government at this moment is history is not the solution then what is? What steps should be taken? When did the “free market” economy cease to exist?? How are jobs to be created? How are homes to be saved??
As you sight, you want government to get out of the way?. Is this the correct assessment of your views? Do this include state and local government?
With the state government getting out of the way, the people whom have lost jobs wouldn’t be able to DEPEND on a state mandated program such as “unemployment compensation”, so where would that leave them. No federal funded “medicaid” program. Where would that lead them in times of illness? Where would they go to find jobs?
I some cases the federal government should not be an essential player in our lives. but if not for the federal government, i would still be sitting at the “colored only” lunch counter. Women would still be getting smack on the ass by men at work and openly sexually harassed.
It seems disingenuous and to say President Obama has “weak ideas” and “week strategies”, how would the 75 year old couple who lost their 401k and have to find work again. You say we should study economics and one rule of economics is that cutting taxes, cutting taxes (such as on food) while not spending money to produce any revenue leads to ….. recession. Without Governmental assistance are you prepared to pay for the cost of roads, bridges, electricity, health care and so on directly out of your pocket, from check to check.?? Now really think about that. these are some of the “socialist” programs that we enjoy.
What is the President to do? Just sit around and pray for a better tomorrow or wish us out of our problems?
I understand and TRULY respect some of the tenants of the libertarian points of view, but the world is constantly evolving and this is no longer 1775.
I read at least three newspapers online daily as well as i subscribe to Newsweek, time and us news, so i consider myself , a learned and researched man from many points of view
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/flowchart/2009/2/27/why-its-taking-so-long-to-fix-the-economy.html
http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_ID=13174088&source=most_commented
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-26-budget-side_N.htm
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/
Hmm, there’s lots of name-calling and emotional response here.
Can anyone else see that yes, we have problems in our economy that may need some intervention, and also that there are more than two options?
It seems that the only options considered were to either do nothing at all, or to overreact with the current open-ended bill that appears to grow government bureaucracies and entitlements ad infinitum with no cap to the dollars involved.
My issue is that no time was taken to read or debate the bill. No one even knows what it contains. It could have been broken down into smaller bites and prioritized instead of being rammed through Congress the way it was.
No one has a clue whether any of this will work or what the unintended consequences will be. That should concern all of us.
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The government under Obama will destroy the United States, by that I mean that capitalism as we knew will die. What we are going to have is a government that will try to supply us with our every whim, contracts will mean less than nothing. Examples are to numerous, lets go to the mortgage situation. Anyone that is current with their mortgage can get help even if they lied to get a loan and now owe more than what the house is worth. Not all people were meant to own a house, it stinks but it is very true.
Anyone that has never bought a house or has not lived in a house that was bought more than three years ago is eligible for an $8,000 tax break.
We are becoming so accustomed the the government tit that we will except anything that they want to give us without a thought of how the government got the money to give away. All tax returns, most tax breaks and welfare should be stopped immediately.
The practice of making our corporate leaders out to be criminal by our government should be stopped, large corporations and wealthy people employ millions in this great country, government sure will hire people but never at a profit.
What happens when foreign countries have all of our money because our government keeps borrowing? When we the people of the United States stop using credit to get the things they want, not need.
Here is a thought, the fastest way to lower health care cost is to get rid of insurance companies. Make lazy people shop for a doctor that will do the best for them and when someone cannot pay they give up some of their own possessions (i.e. car with a lot of chrome added, XBOX and games, designer clothes, the list is endless).
The health of a nation can be measured by the the abuse of credit and large amounts of excess fat that the citizens carry.
But the most important thing to do is to recognize is God’s might and turn to him for wisdom and understanding.
Peace
Mmmmhm.
Just quit arguing about it. Good grief. You liberals just keep letting the government wipe your rear and us independents and conservatives will keep working to buy the toilet paper.
I’ve heard all the crazy talk on here that conservative Republicans are pinning this on Obama. I don’t think so. I think that the Democrats have had control in Congress for the last 2 years. They couldn’t have put the 1st stimulus plan together. They couldn’t have created this destructive dying mentality for our economy. These things are completely imposible. I don’t care who is President, but I do care if we are planning to spend mountains of money that we don’t have. The Republican party has never tried to control businesses. They haven’t tried to stomp out capitalism. So, keep yourself up on things and take the blinders off. Just because you were sucked in to voting for a President that knows so little about things we have to get a commitee to look into everything. He don’t know. You were told before you voted for him. This is the fall out of the decision that if you throw enough money at something it will fix itself. This all comes after you pay back all your friends that got you in office. Well, we got to do something.
David,
You’re exactly right. Congress didn’t cause this disaster. But the Congress before didn’t either. You say don’t point fingers and yet you’re doing the exact same thing. Bad lending and people who couldn’t afford houses who bought them anyway is what started it all. Also, capitalism isn’t evil like you make it out to be. It wasn’t capitalism, but a few people that got us into this mess. Keep government out and let the economy fix itself. Yes, we have to do something…quit taking American’s money for these spending bills and let it take its course like history has proven to work.
protests…they’re not just for hippies anymore.
get over it, libs.
NEW NASHVILLE TEA PARTY PLANNED…
Tax Day: April 15th Noon at the Legislative plaza. Be there and show your support. Enough of spending our children into debt. Stop the crazy government spending. Make your voice heard.
Activism isn’t just for Acorn. Join us the Patriotic Resistance!!!!
I love all the liberal “free thinkers” that have posted here. Not a single original thought from one of them. They love to think of themselves as intellectuals who are smarter than conservatives. Yet every one of them is just a sheep. Having been told what to think about our economic condition by CNN, Oprah, and Katie Couric, they all can’t wait for their next Bush bashing opportunity. You also have to love how the race card is played so frequently. Couldn’t possibly be that it’s the ideology and philosophy of our new socialistic government that people are against. I love to debate these people in person. How quickly a “debate” becomes an emotional eruption where reason and rational thought are completely abandoned. When I ask any of them to simply explain what the three branches of our government are most can not. Those that do manage to fumble through it can’t describe what the roles and responsibilities of each are. This of course explains much of the Bush bashing. I hope these people eventually learn to think for themselves instead of being told what to think by the media and talk show hosts at every turn. I hope they eventually care to learn enough about the history of our government, how it was formed, and what our constitution stands for.
BTW…
Nash is wrong. It WAS the previous congress that caused this economy by enabeling Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Those institutions, driven by the previous Democratic Congress, allowed people who couldn’t afford the loans to get them. These lending practices would never have been adopted by the free-market. Any business person who’s ever done a risk analysis will tell you this.
Obama will fail. Congress will fail. The American people will rise up and take the country back by voting out of office the simple minded individuals that got us into this mess. And before you Obama lovers go slobbering on about Bush, he’s to blame as well. So is Clinton and men and women on both sides of the political baboon’s ass that has become our government. I just hope all of you people that voted for Obama to make ‘history’ realize that this ‘history’ comes at a huge price. If you can’t vote with your brain then don’t vote. If you researched your choices and made a decision based on that, good for you. You are a responsible voter. If, like I said earlier, you voted to make ‘history’ then you should never be allowed to vote again and a racoon should be allowed to play with your nut-sack. If you don’t have a nut sack then a pack of horny spider monkeys get to take you in the back room.
As an Australia-based ’skins fan, I found your blog on google and read a few of your other Redskins posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.
“if Government at this moment is history is not the solution then what is? What steps should be taken? When did the “free market” economy cease to exist??”
Well AHughes, government was part of the problem to begin with. It was lawmakers that propped up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and strong-armed other financial institutions to give out loans people couldn’t afford. Those homeowners are also to blame, but if a “free market” was allowed to function properly, businesses with half a brain wouldn’t have loaned to people that couldn’t pay the money back. That just wouldn’t make sense. It used to be that you had to have credit, a job, and financial security to take out a loan…until some lawmakers forced business to make these bad loans in the name of “fairness.” Now these are the same lawmakers complaining that there was no regulation! Hypocrisy.
“How are jobs to be created? How are homes to be saved??”
The same way they’ve always been created. Let businesses do their thing. The government does not create wealth. It only transfers it. The government is not there to save your home.
“With the state government getting out of the way, the people whom have lost jobs wouldn’t be able to DEPEND on a state mandated program such as ‘unemployment compensation’, so where would that leave them. No federal funded ‘medicaid’ program. Where would that lead them in times of illness? Where would they go to find jobs?”
I don’t think there is anything wrong with a crutch in a time of need. But sometimes the crutch becomes a bed. A big, wasteful, bloated bed.
“I some cases the federal government should not be an essential player in our lives. but if not for the federal government, i would still be sitting at the ‘colored only’ lunch counter. Women would still be getting smack on the ass by men at work and openly sexually harassed.”
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Our government has a certain obligation to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens. Limited-government does not mean no government involvement at all. On the flip side, the government should not be involved in every aspect of your life.
“You say we should study economics and one rule of economics is that cutting taxes, cutting taxes (such as on food) while not spending money to produce any revenue leads to … recession.”
As I said before, the government does not create wealth, it only transfers it. It is the American people…you and I…that create revenue. If the government cuts taxes, that gives you and I more to spend on other things. And when you spend that money it goes into the economy. The more money that is put into the economy, the more jobs that are created. The difference between the government spending money and the private sector spending money is that the government has no prerogative to do it efficiently. If a business were to spend money frivolously, not compete in the market, and not make a profit…well, it would go out of business. When the government does the same thing, it just raises taxes to offset the cost. That means less money in your hands and mine.
“Without Governmental assistance are you prepared to pay for the cost of roads, bridges, electricity, health care and so on directly out of your pocket, from check to check.?? Now really think about that. these are some of the ’socialist’ programs that we enjoy.”
Well it DOES come out of our pockets. But if it was something we’d have to write a check for every month, maybe we would be asking for these programs to be a lot more efficient. But they’re not because of government involvement.
“What is the President to do? Just sit around and pray for a better tomorrow or wish us out of our problems?”
As if the problems are so easily solved. What the American people have to realize is that we have been digging a hole for many years now…and it’s gonna take many years to fill it back in. And you know what that will involve? Some hardships. Sorry, there are no quick-fixes in life. Just on television. We don’t want to go through any pain right now, so we are willing to risk everything at the expense of our children and grandchildren.
This is just history repeating itself. When the Great Depression struck, everyone accused Herbert Hoover of doing nothing to fix the economy. So they elected FDR to fix it. The government taxed the rich in the 90th-percentile and threw all of the money it could at work projects. Did the economy turn around? Nope. The country didn’t get out of the Depression until industry took off during World War II. How arrogant to think that doing the same will work this time around.
Everyone says tax the “rich.” But the rich are losing money just like everyone else is. Hey, they have investments too. But even if every rich person had their money taken away, it would not be enough to cover the programs that President Obama and Congressional leaders are proposing.
Consider this: If all of the president’s spending programs are approved, the INTEREST on federal debt will be over $800 BILLION in TEN YEARS. That’s like a TARP package EVERY YEAR…only a lot of the money will leave our country and go to China and Saudi Arabia. That’s not even including the money the government will want for its budget. And who will pay for it? You and I. This debt has been racking up for years, including a chuck from President Bush. That is why we have to take a stand NOW. There have to be good alternatives proposed. Just because the president and lawmakers propose to do SOMETHING does not make it a GOOD idea.
This isn’t a Democrat/Republican debate anymore. It’s a debate over what’s best for the nation and our children. Certainly there will be some ideological differences. But if we get caught up in bickering, everyone loses.
Okay, I’m done ranting.
Please understand history and you can even view it on Youtube and it is written in your left leaning newspapers that are failing as well. The democrats kept the republicans from putting regulations on the housing market and Fannie may and Freddie mac. It was the democrats like Barney Frank and others that said Why the housing market is doing fine there is no bubble or abuse going on. It is in video people. Plus it is funny how the republicans are the ones who are haters and name calling when did you liberals get such a short memory. The last eight years have been nothing but hate and craziness from the left. So you liberals think building bridges for Microsoft and underground tunnels for lizards to cross the road are good ideas for your tax dollar. We all understand you hate the rich capitalist in this country the evil ones that create jobs unlike the government who can only expand the government to create jobs which increase the tax burden on everyone. Plus we have found out during the Obama appointments why Liberals love taxing people , because they cheat on taxes and never pay. These are your representatives with the (D) by their names. People that run the very government that taxes us and they cheat. Are you telling me that Ole’ Timmy G who is now in charge of the IRS does not know how to do is own taxes and it was a mistake. He should go to jail for being stupid and the people who accepted that reason should be put in jail for being even dumber. I hope liberals understand that Obama has put a hirer burden of deficit this country then all other 43 presidents combined before him did. Again all Presidents since we have been a country combined again combined. Do you get what is being said here. We are stealing from 3 generations behind us, stealing from those who have not been born yet for today. Which can not happen if we all follow the belief of Nancy P whom stated that having children are a burned to our economy. If people stop having children who are to pay for the democrats spending the future of the country for many, many years of tax revenue down the drain. If you really think the economy is going to come back from the large waste of money Obama and congress are spending only shows that left liberal schools are not teaching people the ability to read the spending bill or comprehend basic economics. Again only Liberals would make the “tea Parties ” a party issue instead of seeing for what it is and that is the American people for the first time united in saying stop spending our future and our kids and grand kids ( whom have not been born yet) down the drain. Again I hated some of GW”s actions but under Bush my son owed 16k towards the national debt the day he was born. On his first birthday that number will rise to 65k towards the debt. He is only 1 and owes more to the national debt then my grandparents, parents and I combined the day I was born.
So again almost 700k jobs lost last month where are these jobs that Obama was creating or saving. Ask those people who no longer have a home. What about the housing crisis where this all started they have not even addressed it yet, nothing has been done. But trillions spent and we are not even dealing with the housing problem. What happened to the rhetoric coming from Obama before the spending bill was passed? He was all doom and gloom the world is going to end and we are going to be in a depression in lines for water and food. The day after the spending bill pass, he changed to we are not so bad off- we are already recovering ( what you mean we went from almost economic Armageddon to happy days ahead in less then 12 hours. What about the promise he made to go line by line to cut the waste out of the budget and no more pork. Yet he passes the biggest pork spending budget in the last 15 years. But he says it was the budget of Bush administration and not his, how can anyone go ok well then that is fine you are over seeing this budget and signing it but I t is not your budget to get rid of pork it is not your problem. What about tax cuts for middle class that is almost gone. What about the 650 million set aside to explore universal health. 650 million to explore the idea during this time in our country. What about his ability to united the world for the US. He has gotten nothing from any country. Oh he did get 12 military trainers for Afghanistan from Spain. Way to go foreign relations champion. Nothing better to see the President of the United States bowing down to the king of Saudi Arabia. Obama has no ability to lead or heck even appoint staff that can let him know how to do things when on foreign lands. Enough of this one day Liberals will wake up and agree that this president is a mess, but most likely never due to liberals thinking they are never wrong. one last thing what happened to global cooling of the late 80’s early 90’s when i was growing up we were all suppose to freeze to death in a global cooling now 10-15 years later I am going to die due to the earth warming. I only ask that the Liberals stick to one idea as you would not want people to think that it is not the republicans that run on fear tactics.
Side note i still find it funny that spell check wants to correct ( Obama ) to Alabama or Usama
Liberals relax a little you got what you want stop with your hate and understand just because you have been in the back seat of government for many years you do not have to crap on our country all at once.
Is there going to be a “Tax Day Tea Party” in Nashville?
I have the same question as Invaderdave. Will there be a “Tax Day Tea Party” in Nashville on April 15?
Nashville Tea Party April 15th at the state capital in Nashville at Charlotte Avenue, between Sixth and Seventh Avenue.
I love reading all these “left wing” comments from these blind liberal fools. They just don’t seem to grasp the facts. If they could only stop riding their 10 speeds and take a moment from their Obama Shrine maybe they could wake up and see the light.
Yeah, please continue to divide up along the lines of a false “left” and “right” paradigm and fight amongst yourselves while the globalists continue their agenda of sacking the country. This bitter infighting among the citizenry helps A LOT.
Democrats: “It’s the bad ole Republicans! We hate them!”
Republicans: “It’s the bad ole Democrats! We hate them!”
Globalists: “ha ha ha ha ha”
Divide and conquer, baby.
10,000 illegal immigrants across the borders every 24 hours and an $11 trillion national debt.
Well Johnathan, you’re stuck with one of the two parties. There will not be a viable third party in this country any time in our lifetimes and the only role they can play is to throw an election to one side or the other.
So pick a side - Democrat or Republican.
If your issue is economics, and you want to judge a party by their performance and track record, you clearly need to support the Democrats. America’s economy has consistently done better under Democratic administrations for as long as economists have been measuring it. That’s a fact.
If your issue is one of economic fairness - that people who work for a living are fairly rewarded for what they produce, as opposed to rewarding the investor class who lives off the fruits of labor with borrowed money - then you need to support the Democrats. The Republicans do little to nothing for working people - even now when it matters more than ever.
If you want an active federal government that won’t just sit there as a crisis unfolds by reading “My Pet Goat”, then you need to support the Democrats. Because today’s modern Republican Party would let it all just burn. Which I find kind of funny since they would all get enveloped in the flames too. All just to prove they’re right. That’s called radicalism and frankly, borders on treason.
I won’t go into all the other issues because I am assuming that the reason you are posting in this thread is because economics and taxation are important to you.
We can shorten this for spaz.
Democrats: Neato
Republicans: Meanies
Now go forth and decide.
To morphis the moron and others. I guess your hoping for and expecting a obama handout. You and others have a lot of hope in a plan that is doomed. Good luck, sure glad my home is paid for. Oh yeh there going to take care of that too.
God will sort of of this out sooner than later
It had been brought to my attention that the REAL reason for the mortgage crisis is due to rules passed by democrats which FORCED mortgage companies to give loans to people who would never be able to repay their loans because it should be an American right to own a home. When did our country become so “it is my right to own whatever i want even if i cannot pay for/earn it” minded?? President Bush did try to point out (more than once) that the mortgage business was headed for trouble, but was rebuked by Barney Frank who stated everything was just fine there. It is NOT our governments place to make sure all our needs (let alone wants) are met. It IS our right to get out and earn our own way however. And I do agree with SDaves, God will certainly have a mess to sort out in the Good Ole USA I think once all is said and done.
Lforbis….I am SO glad I’m not the only one who knows how it happened.
The reasons we are “in this dire situation” as the news rags try to make us believe, is because people got greedy. If people could live within their means and not overspend….the world would be a better place. Can the credit cards, pay for everything the good old fashioned way…..save up for it.
another way? reform welfare, drug tests every week, work a minimum of 25 hours a week….not so hard to do,. “but there aren’t any jobs”, “all those dang mexicans took the work”.
B…..S…..
the jobs weren’t taken, they were underbid, those “Mexicans” worked em for a fair price. I don’t see why people think they should get 25 an hour to push a bunch of buttons in a factory. Get off your butts America, GO FIND A JOB, there are plenty of jobs out there, its just everyone thinks they should get it on a silver platter or something.
WORK to LIVE, its actually quite simple really, you live by your sweat and blood, and too many people expect uncle sam to do it for them…You lot are the traitors to the state.
And AFA our economic crisis is concerned….I chose not to participate in it.
Health care crisis?
Funny, I didn’t get denied treatment when i had emergency heart surgery at age 2….Nor was my mom denied treatment for a clot because her insurance bill was overdue. It isn’t a Health care crisis, its a health cost crisis, and it starts with the prices hospitals charge for mundane things these days.
People will buy into whatever you push onto a Television set these days i suppose.
Because as it sits and the way i see it, we are the united states of entertainment and Obama, the illegally appointed president(show me long form birth cert please), is our entertainer in chief.
Good day you poor poor misguided liberals….
May your eyes be opened by the storm on the horizon.
Because one way or another….the world is in for a rude awakening, and when it all hits the fan, I’m going to be laughing my arse off about it all.