That Worm Just Keeps On Turning

24 Responses to “That Worm Just Keeps On Turning”

1. Matthew Hurtt writes
   September 18th, 2008 10:21 am

   This isn’t even an intelligent assessment of the situation…

   When Democrats and Republicans work together, the business of the State is fair - it benefits ALL Tennesseans. Shoving one-sided legislation through two Houses controlled by the same party helps no one and hurts all Tennesseans.

   - Matthew

2. Joe writes
   September 18th, 2008 10:27 am

   None of this negates the fact that the voters chose Kurita. Overturning an election for no valid reason is not a good precedent to set.

3. Mad in Cheatham Co writes
   September 18th, 2008 10:36 am

   Absolutely, and as a constituent of this district, I can tell you I am pleased that Kurita saw fit to do what she thought was best for this district and not be another bow down to the Democratic Party. Whether it was the right decision could be debated, hindsight is always 20/20. She stood up for what she believed in. That’s who I want representing me.

4. Martin Kennedy writes
   September 18th, 2008 11:01 am

   The game is the game? What the sam-hill does that mean? To everyone, besides those who would rationalize what just occured, it means that the candidate with the most votes wins. That’s the game. The game was changed because the outcome was not the one desired by the establishment.

   The game is the game? Thankfully some people, though not enough, did not adopt such an attitude when it came to segregation or rounding up Jews in Nazi Germany. More serious issues? Yes, but the principle is the same. At what point does one feel compelled to resist? Braisted and Maynard and others of their ilk know that what happened was fundamentally unjust. Istead of turning in their Dem credentials they instead choose to provide cover for the party they love.

   The Democratic Party, may she be right, but right or wrong, the Democratic Party.

5. Sean Braisted writes
   September 18th, 2008 11:06 am

   Well, I’m sure Tim Barnes will be instituting the holocaust any day now…

   Now, we may not like how the Dem Primary Board voted, but if you can find me one violation of the law, then I’ll concede the point.

   Just because everybody doesn’t know all the rules to the game, doesn’t change the fact that the game is the game.

6. TennesseeRegular writes
   September 18th, 2008 11:12 am

   Why would the GOP WANT to destroy the state?

7. Sean Braisted writes
   September 18th, 2008 11:14 am

   I don’t know why they want to, but their policy proposals indicate a desire to see our infrastructure crumble and our rights diminished.

8. Reality writes
   September 18th, 2008 11:23 am

   Translation: Shut up and fall in line. Gray has spoken.

9. Joe writes
   September 18th, 2008 11:25 am

   Had the GOP pulled a stunt like this with the Davis-Roe election, Braisted would have had a field day with it.

10. Joe writes
    September 18th, 2008 11:34 am

    Sean, no one is arguing whether it was legal or not. It would have been legal for the TNGOP to invalidate Phil Roe’s win and re-nominate Davis, too. Is it right, though?

11. Glen Dean writes
    September 18th, 2008 11:41 am

    Why does Sean and the Democratic Ole Boy network hate women so much?

12. Joe writes
    September 18th, 2008 11:46 am

    That’s absurd, Glen.

13. Sean Braisted writes
    September 18th, 2008 11:57 am

    Joe,

    Braisted really wouldn’t have cared what happened in that race; both candidates seem equally douchey to me.

    Had Davis contested the results of the election (as he seems to indicate he wish he had done) there is no telling what the State GOP Exec Committee would’ve done.

    Glen,

    I donated money to Rosalind Kurita and volunteered for her in the 2006 Primary campaign. I’ve given money to female candidate like Megan Barry as well, and would gladly support her for whatever higher office she wishes to obtain.

14. Martin Kennedy writes
    September 18th, 2008 1:03 pm

    The respective reactions reveals an interesting phenomenon. Some people are more prone to justify the means - the game is the game - for a desirable end - a preferred candidate gets the nomination. They are relativists. Cheating is not wrong intrinsically. It is OK if it leads to a good end. And, they are wishy-washy even in their relativism… I don’t like the game but the game’s the game. Well help us out. What didn’t you like about the game? Was it that a couple of Dem establishment types superceded the votes of people in the district? Was it that you knew that it was only happening because Kurita voted for Ramsey? Was it that you realized that your party leaders are petty people?

15. Sean Braisted writes
    September 18th, 2008 1:17 pm

    I didn’t like the ultimate outcome because I didn’t think the vote was justified based on the facts in the case. As for the “party leaders,” the ones I know and support did not vote in favor of the actions, most of the ones who did were from other parts of the state, and save maybe one from Memphis, I hadn’t heard of any of them.

    But you want me to take my disappointment in the process out on Tim Barnes, who was well within his rights to challenge the election, and his team made the best case they could. Had I been on the “jury,” I would’ve voted otherwise, but I’m not going to sit here and blame them for doing what was in their best interest.

16. dan t writes
    September 18th, 2008 1:27 pm

    Its amazing how the left just went off the deep end on this lady. Simply because she got rid of Wilder. The lefts anger at Roz is even more puzzling when you consider that Wilder was mainly responsible for the GOP gaining a majority in the first place through his friendly redistricting plans. Wilder also has close friendships with ministers over at Lambuth(he has a wing dedicated to him at that school) and Freed Hardeman. A lot of these lefties that are screaming at Roz would find those ministers repulsive. Oh and btw the remark about the GOP wanting to destroy the state. Wow…talk about hyperbole.

17. Mad in Cheatham Co writes
    September 18th, 2008 1:30 pm

    At what point did this become about Tim Barnes best interest? Silly me, for some reason, I thought this was about the voters in that districts best interest! We voted and it should have stood. End of story. And as far as “the game is the game”, the last time I watched any game, they couldn’t add extra innings or quarters just because they were loosing. It’s shameful the way the party has acted. I would be happy to participate in a federal lawsuit against them for disenfranchising the registered voters and I will do whatever I can to make sure that Kurita wins in November. What kind of precedence are we setting for our children? Why bother to vote if it isn’t going to count? If they didn’t want her to be the candidate for the party, they should have made that point in the beginning. Waiting until after the primary, and after the cutoff for running as an independent, was typical backstabbing behavior of our Democratic Party in TN. Win at all costs, even if it means not counting votes.

18. sorry politics writes
    September 18th, 2008 1:49 pm

    I’m with you, mad. I can’t vote for her but I can give money and work for her. It’s the principle involved and I do hope she sues too. I’m a lifelong Democrat, mostly yellow, and will not change parties over this because I believe in the real Democratic principles, not the ones of the TN Good Ole Boys. As if the TN legislature, Repub or Dem controlled, ever did anything remarkable anyway.

19. Sean Braisted writes
    September 18th, 2008 1:55 pm

    At what point did this become about Tim Barnes best interest?

    When the idea is floated that we should oppose Tim Barnes’ run because he challenged the election. He did nothing wrong, if anyone did, it was the Exec Committee.

    And as far as “the game is the game”, the last time I watched any game, they couldn’t add extra innings or quarters just because they were loosing

    See Soccer. They use a rule that hadn’t been played in quite some time, but it was a legal play none the less.

    I would be happy to participate in a federal lawsuit against them for disenfranchising the registered voters and I will do whatever I can to make sure that Kurita wins in November.

    Show me the Federal Law that applies to a state party primary.

    Why bother to vote if it isn’t going to count?

    Because if it weren’t a close election, it wouldn’t have happened.

20. Martin Kennedy writes
    September 18th, 2008 2:06 pm

    … Had I been on the “jury,” I would’ve voted otherwise, but I’m not going to sit here and blame them for doing what was in their best interest…

    That’s what is revealing. They, the “jury”, acted in their best interest, not according to the merits of the respective arguments. Why did this thing go on for eight hours? They knew the answer, how they would vote, before they assembled. So we agree it was a sham. Nobody said anything about taking it out on Tim Barnes. I was responding to how casually you can brush off a sham vote with a “the game’s the game” comment.

21. Glen Dean writes
    September 18th, 2008 2:12 pm

    Just having a little fun Sean, you ole sexist you.

22. Sean Braisted writes
    September 18th, 2008 2:13 pm

    Why did this thing go on for eight hours?

    Ask Kleinheider, I was saying the same damned thing…I actually had to sit through the whole thing.

23. Donna Locke writes
    September 18th, 2008 2:23 pm

    What this orchestration shows us is that, regardless of which political party benefits, no one is safe with this sort of thing going on and we aren’t the “Americans” we thought we were.

24. Mad in Cheatham Co writes
    September 18th, 2008 2:40 pm

    The fact of the matter is that Tim Barnes lost the election. Plain and simple. So, that being said it was in the best interest of the people he serves to allow the person they voted for to serve as Senator.
    And tell me, do you think that Tim Barnes was not pushing the Exec Committee to make that decision? We could argue federal election laws all day long, but the bottom line is while it may not have been technically illegal, it is absolutely immoral. I for one am glad to see that someone had a backbone and stood up to the Good Ole Boys network here in TN!